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December 11[edit]

Deleted article[edit]

The article in Question is Liberty Street Protest and I can not find out why this article was totally deleted, can someone please help? thank you -SFJ Search&dastroy (talk) 00:24, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

It was moved to Liberty Street protest and then deleted due to an expired WP:PROD due to a lack of proven notability. --Majora (talk) 00:25, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Why is there missing information regarding a particular actress taraji t Henson ?[edit]

She played in person if Interest!! Which was one of the most watch tv series — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:18, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Taraji P. Henson. Bus stop (talk) 03:24, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
There is also an article Person of Interest (TV series). Bus stop (talk) 03:26, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
What information is missing? The articles linked above seem to cover that person, or are you referring to someone different? Dbfirs 08:52, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
The series is listed in her TV credits. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:22, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Note the spelling in the header: the middle initial is "T", not "P". Probably our inquirer didn't notice the mistake. Nyttend (talk) 01:46, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Publishing issue[edit]


This is my sandbox but i can't publish the page.

Can you help me please ?

Thank you,

Mat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mubide (talkcontribs) 08:26, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

When you are ready to submit it for review, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft. When you want to link to a Wikipedia page in a question, it is cleaner to give a wikilink, such as User:Mubide/sandbox, rather than a URL. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:33, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
One thing which you can usefully do while waiting for your draft to be reviewed is to remove the misplaced external links from the body text. Where appropriate you can turn them into references. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:56, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

subheading in other languages mobile wikipedias[edit]

I've noticed it's not present in English lang. It's a sort of summary and it seems not visible in desktop version and not editable either, am I wrong? Thanks (talk) 13:04, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

The summaries in the mobile version are taken from the database at WP:Wikidata, and are meant to be brief summaries. Which article's summary are you trying to change? - Arjayay (talk) 13:08, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:FAQ/Editing#How do I edit mobile subtitles? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:47, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

thanks. I was just curious about those strange charcteristics I've mentioned (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:54, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

The editors of the English Wikipedia disliked it and got it removed from articles but it's still displayed in mobile search results. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:39, 11 December 2017 (UTC)



THANK YOU! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SIR FRANCIS CORNWALL (talkcontribs) 14:21, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Getting permission to edit Tom Segura's Page[edit]

Hello, I'm trying to appropriately update Tom Segura's page. He has a new special coming out. I also wanted to update the outdated links. I've done edits before, but only two. Should I continue editing so that I'm allowed to get the appropriate access. His fanbase loves to put in tidbits from his podcast, I realize, but I want to do update his page within the Wikipedia's guidelines.

Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hidinginahoodie (talkcontribs) 15:56, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Hidinginahoodie. Your account is old enough, and your edits numerous enough, that you should be WP:autoconfirmed, and be able to edit Tom Segura]. Are you not able to? --ColinFine (talk) 23:44, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Can you guys help my English please![edit]

I'm bad at English, can you guys help me checking this article? Thank you! Beyoncetan (talk) 16:42, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

I've corrected a few very minor grammatical details, but the translation (I assume it's a translation) is excellent English apart from a few unusual turns of phrase. I did wonder what article was the source of the translation. If I'm wrong and the text was your original creation, then please accept my apology for my error. Dbfirs 23:40, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
@Dbfirs: Wow thank you so much, Dbfirs! It's actually my translation! Thank you so much for your amazing help and for your kind words too! Beyoncetan (talk) 03:18, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Is it a translation of a Vietnamese Wikipedia article? If so, then perhaps a mention of this on the talk page with a link would be appropriate. The article has a long history, so is not purely translation, and the guidance at WP:Translation doesn't fit in this case. Dbfirs 07:50, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
@Dbfirs: No no, it's not a translation of the Vietnamese article. I wrote it with the sources that I've found myself. Beyoncetan (talk) 10:54, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Sorry about the misunderstanding. As you will have guessed, I can't read Vietnamese. You've certainly done a lot of research. Dbfirs 11:19, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
@Dbfirs: Aww, it's alright! Thank you again for your amazing edits Dbfirs! Beyoncetan (talk) 13:35, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Changing Languages and Sandbox Issue[edit]

Hello, I have created a draft of an article that I would like to have approved. My current account that I am using was originally made in German. Why does my sandbox only appear when I change wikipedia settings to English even though it's originally in German? Also, the draft has been rejected due to the fact that it is not in English. I am unable to transfer the draft to be submitted to the German Wikipedia website. Please help me figure out what I am doing wrong, and how to fix this issue. I have researched why the Sandbox keeps on disappearing and nothing has come up. Is it an issue others have as well? Also, I have tried multiple times to change the accounts language to German but it does not stay in German. Best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanula berdanopulou (talkcontribs) 16:42, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Fanula berdanopulou: There are separate Wikipedia version for each language, including and I assume that the sandbox you refer to is , at German Wikipedia, but written in English. What you need to do is not "change the accounts language", but log into the right Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 17:36, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

I have tried that already, but I am not able to access the sandbox when I log into the correct German Wikipedia. Fanula berdanopulou (talk) 11:14, 12 December 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanula berdanopulou (talkcontribs) 11:13, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@Fanula berdanopulou: As far as I can see, you have very similar (possibly identical, but I can't read German, so it's hard to me to verify) sandboxes in both Wikipedias:
en-wiki: en:User:Fanula berdanopulou/sandbox
de-wiki: de:Benutzer:Fanula berdanopulou/sandbox
There is also corresponding article in de-wiki:
de:Realistic Trash Polka
but not here, in en-wiki.
So, you don't need to submit your sandbox to the article space in German Wikipedia, as the article exists there already. Possibly you can apply some changes to it, based on your sandbox, but you rather don't submit a new version. Articles are generally expanded and improved incrementally, not replaced in the whole.
What concerns en-wiki, you can't submit an article in German language. You need to translate it to (or rewrite it in) English first.
HTH. --CiaPan (talk) 11:33, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Unable to add language links to newly-created article[edit]

I recently created the Machir Bay article, which I roughly translated from the German version. The article also exists in a couple of other languages. I figured out that you have this new (to me) process to tie articles in different languages together via Wikidata, where Machir Bay has ID Q1882686 -- and I was able to add the English article to that. The EN link now appears in the DE, CEB and SV articles that were already tied together. However the Languages section of the EN article remains empty.

I was reading Help:Interlanguage_links to try and figure this out. If I click on "Add links" under "Languages" in the EN article, and then fill in e.g. "dewiki" and "Machir Bay" to tie it to the DE article, I get this error: "The page you wanted to link with is already attached to an item on the central data repository which links to Machir Bay on this site. Items can only have one page per site attached. Please choose a different page to link with." That makes sense to me, as I understand the German article is already tied to a Wikidata ID. I would have thought adding the EN article to Wikidata would take care of the linking and the non-English links would automagically appear under Languages on the EN article, but that has unfortunately not happened.

This led me to read d:Help:Merge, thinking that the EN article I created was perhaps given a new/different ID on Wikidata when I created the EN article, and I could then merge the two, but I cannot find a "Machir Bay" entry on Wikidata with a different ID.

Having said all that... I just looked at and found that it is tied to the correct ID on Wikidata, apparently.

So then... why do the language links not appear? Thanks! F. Delpierre (talk) 17:41, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

The languages appear now. Sometimes you have to purge or edit a page to update the languages. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:47, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I think they appeared immediately after I made an edit, minutes after posting my question above, but I wasn't sure if maybe someone had done it and was going to post here, or if it had happened as a result of my edit. I'll keep this in mind for next time. Thanks! F. Delpierre (talk) 18:47, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
The inter-language links are there now. Perhaps it took a while for the cache to be cleared to implement the update? --David Biddulph (talk) 17:49, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
I think they appeared immediately after I made an edit, minutes after posting my question above, but I wasn't sure if maybe someone had done it and was going to post here, or if it had happened as a result of my edit. Thanks! F. Delpierre (talk) 18:47, 11 December 2017 (UTC)


Hi, just a quick question about ISBot. An edit I recently performed was reverted with the argument that it wasn't needed since the links aren't dead yet. That seems very strange to me. Surely we don't have to wait till the links are dead to use it, do we? This is Paul (talk) 21:19, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi This is Paul, hope you're well. As per WP:LINKROT, we shouldn't wait. I see you've already discussed the issue with the reverting editor Iggy the Swan who has confirmed that he won't revert again. I think it's just a small good faith revert by Iggy, nothing else. Thanks, Lourdes 00:46, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
No worries, thanks for getting back to me. Always good to check these things just in case. This is Paul (talk) 00:49, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

December 12[edit]

Abortion Clinics[edit]

Someone has maliciously​ edited this page. Can someone please re-edit/fix this page as what has been put there is quite nasty. Sorry I didn't know how else to get in contact with the website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:18, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to attention, I've removed the content in question. –72 (talk) 01:23, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Listing works in article[edit]

Can someone please list the works in this section of the article Ibn al-Haytham in a better and more appropriate manner? Swazzo (talk) 08:58, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Spurious entry in sortable table[edit]

Hey all.

I don't know much about sortable tables, so this may be an obvious thing to others:

List of highest mountains on Earth contains a sortable table of mountains - if I sort by "Rank" why does Nangpai Gosum appear first despite not having a ranking? All other non-ranked entries appear at the bottom where I'd expect them to. Chaheel Riens (talk) 12:23, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Blank is treated as zero, and comes before number 1. I've dealt with it in the same way as the other blanks, see this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:32, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Save changes or publish changes[edit]

I have noticed that the text which used to read "Save changes" now reads "Publish changes". Does anybody know why this change has happened? I go to Wikipedia: Village pump fairly frequently and I do not remember any discussion pertinent to change there. Thank you in advance for your co-operation in this matter.Vorbee (talk) 16:59, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

It also makes the By clicking the "Save page" button, you agree to the Terms of Use... text above it inaccurate as well - there is no "Save page" button anymore. Chaheel Riens (talk) 17:02, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
It's another confusing change made by the WMF, see WP:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Save Changes to Publish Changes. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:02, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Hmm. Not a problem for most editors to adapt to, I guess. But as it also says "Publish changes" when editing a Sandbox or a page in Draft, I do wonder how many brand new editors will come to the help desks, even more confused about why they're not actually publishing their article instead of just saving their changes. I assume the following key pages are scheduled to be updated very soon: Help:Introduction to editing with Wiki Markup/4 and Help:Introduction to editing with VisualEditor/4 and Help:Editing and presumably WP:TWA. Pinging @Whatamidoing (WMF): and @Evolution and evolvability: who indicated this would be actioned. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:26, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for pinging me,. I've held off updating the tutorial pages until the change is actually made, sine I didn't want to create a mismatch. I don'kt think people will have too much trouble adapting, however the sandbox headers (e.g. {{Userspace_draft}}) could be updated to clarify. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 09:19, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Nick, I'm not a lawyer, of course, but I understand that "saving" something in the draft space is legally considered "publication". (A page in draftspace also happens to meet the definition of published that is given in WP:V: "Source material must have been published, the definition of which for our purposes is "made available to the public in some form".)
This change was made because multiple years of user testing demonstrated that a sizable fraction of brand-new editors did not understand that "Save" on Wikipedia meant that they were immediately and irrevocably posting their content on the internet where anyone could see it. Many new editors thought that "Save" meant that the content would be stored privately, e.g., in their accounts but not visible to the general public.
To reduce confusion among experienced editors, it might be helpful to change some documentation. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions should probably say something like "should be accepted and moved to mainspace" rather than "should be accepted and published to mainspace".
Chaheel Riens, the MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyrightwarning notice does not say anything about clicking the "Save page" button. If you are still seeing that old warning, then please tell me which wiki you're seeing it at, and what language your user interface is set to. (Please ping me; I really appreciate it.) Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:49, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Whatamidoing (WMF), I'm seeing it right now as I edit this page. Underneath the "This is a minor edit" check box and above the "Publish changes" button there is a line of text that says By clicking the "Save page" button, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 Licence and the GFDL. You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons licence I'm using the monobook setting and language is en-GB. Chaheel Riens (talk) 19:21, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
The language setting "en-GB - British English" often causes confusion due to missing adaptations. It means you see MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyrightwarning/en-gb instead of the default MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyrightwarning. I recommend you change to "en - English". PrimeHunter (talk) 19:50, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
sigh.. that was way out of date. corrected. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 20:04, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Related changes link[edit]

During the past week something has happened to the related changes link. Now when I click on the sidebar link for related changes on a subpage of my user page and hit refresh it shows the result of the user page rather than the subpage.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:30, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Tony, I tried it with User:TonyTheTiger/5pillars. Seems to work perfect. Which page did you check it on? Have you tried logging on from a different browser and checking if the same issue continues? Thanks, Lourdes 00:48, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
I’ve reported something similar at VPT...Jokulhlaup (talk) 11:20, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
I watch the related changes to User:TonyTheTiger/creations. Starting last week whenever I refreshed this page, it has shown the results for User:TonyTheTiger.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:42, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


Why is it that every page I edit is added to my watchlist? Even if I'm using Twinkle, stuff gets cluttered up there. Advanced features don't allow me to uncheck anything that could be causing this. Buffaboy talk 19:00, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@Buffaboy: In preferences, under editing, there is a checkbox for "Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist". Uncheck that if you don't want all your edits on your watchlist. RudolfRed (talk) 19:26, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
*RudolfRed That's already unchecked. Buffaboy talk 02:18, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
@Buffaboy: You may want to check your Twinkle preferences as well – the default setting is to add all the pages you edit with Twinkle to your watchlist. There are several boxes that need to be unchecked; the fastest way would be to do Ctrl + F and search for all instances of "watchlist". –FlyingAce✈hello 16:51, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

BLP help?[edit]

Earlier today I posted on Talk:Michael J. Saylor and also at WP:BLP/N about a very large edit to the Michael J. Saylor biography by an account with no prior history. It's duplicative of a controversy already mentioned, a major case of WP:UNDUE weight, with some non-RS sourcing, and I believe should be reverted. I haven't had a reply yet in either place, and considering the BLP implications, am trying here as well to see if someone is willing to consider taking action. Worth noting: I have a COI here, as Saylor's company is a client, hence my requests for an independent editor to review. WWB Too (Talk · COI) 21:15, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done. WWB Too (Talk · COI) 22:08, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

How to add information[edit]

How can I add a page? I would like to create a page similar to this for someone who is not a politician: — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:11, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to Wikipedia. Anybody is welcome to contribute material to Wikipedia, but creating a new article is difficult. I suggest you start by reading your first article. I also suggest that you create an account: it is not compulsory, but it makes various things easier. --ColinFine (talk) 22:52, 12 December 2017 (UTC)


Heading added by ColinFine (talk) 22:52, 12 December 2017 (UTC) I don't have anything to edit. I wanted to donate to your request but had trouble getting the auto prompt to allow me to finish.

Maybe I'm the only one who had any trouble as I don't profess to be very competent online.

Is there another way I can contact you so you can get my donation. It's not a lot $100 + I included the $4 charge.

thank you and well done on your wonderful service.

R Landucci — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:33, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, R Landucci. Thank you for wanting to donate. Donation isn't anything to do with Wikipedia itself, but to the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts Wikipedia and other projects. There's a page there about wmf:Problems donating. --ColinFine (talk) 23:30, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

December 13[edit]

2006 police murders[edit]

my brother Adam j. Brown was murdered December 1st 2006 by Brown county sheriff dept in green bay wi and he's not listed in the category — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:31, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

In short, categories can only list existing articles (it's a technical requirement, not merely a choice that we article writers and maintainers can change), so unless there's an article about him, your brother cannot appear in the category. Please see WP:Categories if you'd like details. Nyttend (talk) 06:45, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry for your losss, Paul T., but Wikipedia does not (by policy) list everything and everybody: only subjects which are WP:notable in Wikipedia's special sense - which means that they have been written about in reliable published sources. Unfortunately, that category is not so rare that everybody who has been killed by police forces is necessarily notable. It is possible that your brother's case has been written about, and there could be an article in Wikipedia about him; but unless and until there is, he cannot appear in the category. I'm sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 10:29, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
The above replies apply to categories like Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in the United States. It may instead be possible to mention him in List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States prior to 2009#2006. Note however that Wikipedia is based on published sources like newspapers. An addition to the list would have to be sourced and portray the event as given in the source. I'm sorry for your loss but Wikipedia policy does not allow it to be called a murder if sources don't do that. I found a source at [2] but I don't know whether you prefer to not get him added if that source is followed. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and does not make its own investigations. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:49, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


Screenshot-00 Article default rendering.png

I see no icon to click to edit the very first paragraph of an article. I came across a page with an enormous error in that top intro paragraph and again elsewhere on the page. I easily corrected the mistake in the main body of the page but how the heck do I edit the top paragraph?

Thanks, Paul T. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:46, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

If you look at the image I've added to the right, do you see the selected "Read" tab, located just almost at the top of the page, in the middle? If you click "Edit" just next to it, you edit the whole page; that's how to edit the introduction. Nyttend (talk) 06:52, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
The "Appearance" section at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets gives an option to enable an edit link for the lede section of a page. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:35, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
However, that's an optional gadget, and only registered users can pick optional gadgets. Nyttend (talk) 13:05, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
As an unregistred user you can use the "Edit" tab at top to edit the whole page, or you can edit the lead alone by clicking a random section edit link and manually change the url to say section=0. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:27, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Is this copyright infringement?[edit]

The page Xiangsheng claims to have cited from Baidu Baike (百度百科), whose content is believed to be copyrighted and NOT licensed. Is this a copyright infringement? If it is and I can't fix it, how and where should I tag and report the issue? User670839245 (talk) 10:00, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I do not understand what you mean? Practically all sources that are cited in Wikipedia articles are copyrighted and not licensed. Does this fact create problems? Ruslik_Zero 12:49, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Possible COI[edit]

I have noticed a dispute in an article, and one of the users involved may have revealed to have a conflict of interest in the topic. However, the user did not said it openly, it seems that he merely said it by accident. What should I do? Should I ask the user for clarifications, go to a public noticeboard, or contact admins privately? Cambalachero (talk) 14:34, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

@Cambalachero:, it is difficult to give answers in the abstract other than to point you to the WP:OUTING and WP:COI policies. If you could specify where you have seen the dispute, it might be easier to give you specific guidance. Otherwise, you'll just have to read the relevant policies and make your own decision. Sorry I can't be more helpful than that. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:40, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

About a warning that I have received.[edit]

The user has been indeffed, and his talk page privileges revoked as well. μηδείς (talk) 01:58, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

It appears to say that name changes aren't allowed for editors which feel that they have little to contribute. Is this supposed to be how it is? That birb king that you can screech at. 14:39, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I suggest you read all the warnings on your user talk page, KingOfBirbs, and heed them. Your name-changes appear to be part of a general behaviour of NOTHERE. --ColinFine (talk) 15:29, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
But how? That birb king that you can screech at. 16:10, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
@KingOfBirbs:, you have misinterpreted those warnings. There is a user name policy that your first choice violated, which is why you were blocked until it changed. There is no policy against further changes but going through many quick name changes without showing any sign of wanting to add positive contributions does not inspire anyone's confidence that you intend to be helpful. The import of the messages on your talk page is this: Please don't use Wikipedia as a place to merely entertain yourself. You have three paths available to you:
  1. Continue treating Wikipedia as if it were Facebook, Reddit, or Twitter and it will go poorly for you, likely ending with a block on your account.
  2. Read articles and make the occasional useful minor improvement to articles and you'll be fine. There is no stigma to this and this is in fact where the vast majority of editors wind up.
  3. Learn how to really contribute and integrate with the community and you'll be welcomed with open arms.
This last possibility requires some more commitment on your part but it will make the previous warnings completely moot. If you want to go this route, then start here and try the tutorial. Most of the usual questions newcomers have are answered by the Help pages and there are usually editors around willing to help. I sincerely hope you choose this third option. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:59, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Changing your user name itself is not the problem, and you are well aware of this.
Given you created User:KingOfBirbs last May, but only started editing using it after your fake "bot" User:Not-bot: Revision history account was blocked, you obviously had a plan or backup in place.
Hiding your username as you are doing now with WP:pipelinks so that it is not easily searchable is suspicious.
File:Bad T.rex.png
But uploading non-encyclopedic images like your "bad T. rex" and your "Noscale dinosaur" (see user contributions of Dec. 11) which are worse than stick figures, and you have now advertised for on your user page for the cause of promoting the theory that dinosaurs did not have scales contravenes our policy against uploading non-encyclopedic material.
Your creating a mirror page of Bird (184,000kb) on your userpage with the sole substitution of all instance of "bird" with "birb" is yet another act of borderline vandalism that can be viewed as a test only with generosity bordering on credulousness.
Your spamming the ref desks with questions about how pterodactylswould appear in "heraldy", if they did appear, violates our guidelines on requests for predictions and debate.
You obviously have the skills to contribute, but have chosen to treat wikipedia as a toy. And now you come here with the most innocent-seeming of your actions, and ask why you are being singled out? I suggest you request an admin delete those images yourself as a demonstration of good faith, and try contributing useful material to mainspace, since you know how to do so and obviously have interest in archosauria and heraldry, before you end up with a sanction for your behaviour. μηδείς (talk) 17:12, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
So, are you saying that I should blank my userpage because it has no content of high quality? and how is not using your second name before changing it in any way suspicious??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingOfBirbs (talkcontribs) 17:54, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
What I am saying, KingOfBirbs (and I think Medeis would agree with) is that you should either start behaving like a responsible Wikipedia editor (in which case we will be happy to answer genuine requests for help), or else go away and stop bothering us. --ColinFine (talk) 18:42, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Exactly, RL intervened or I would have made comments similar to Colin's. Coming back to the help desk with disingenuous comments, when you have been given plenty of advice on what you should be doing, only reinforces the view that you think this is a form of social media, forum or chatroom etc. You have been provided with multiple links here and at your talk page. Please read them and follow their instructions. If you come back here with more questions pleading innocence, someone will quite possibly think 'enough' and report or block you. Eagleash (talk) 19:05, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Apparently the warnings haven't sunk in, see the latest request for speculation. μηδείς (talk) 21:32, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


How to upload a free video to Wikitube, a wiki site similar to Youtube? B63cdf194d0bb00ae19d1bc56e7736eba2dca8 (talk) 15:04, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, anonymous user. "Wikitube" gives me several different search hits, and I don't know which one you mean; but none of them has any connection with Wikipedia, whose help desk this is. We cannot help you here. You might get some help at Wikipedia's Reference Desk, but I wouldn't bank on it. (Note: there are thousands and thousands of wikis on the internet. Wikipedia accounts for a few hundred of these at most. The majority are unrelated to Wikipedia, though some of them use the same free software). --ColinFine (talk) 15:33, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Accounts created automatically in other Wikis[edit]

It seems that starting yesterday night, I've had an account created in 50 Wikipedias in other languages (which I have never visited). Has anyone else noticed this? I've changed my password to be on the safe side, but I was wondering if this was a known bug. –FlyingAce✈hello 16:08, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

It's happening to others and being discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Local accounts attached without a visit (and welcomed without an edit). It's maybe caused by a new process creating your account at wikis which have imported edits by you in the past with the method at meta:Help:Import. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:19, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Unable to log in[edit]

Hi, this is Smartyllama, I'm having some difficulty logging in. I get the error message "There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Go back to the previous page, reload that page and then try again." I tried closing out of the browser and that didn't work, I tried clearing all data and that worked for a little while but now it's giving it to me again. I'll try from home tonight and see if I'm having the issue there too. What can I do to do get in? 16:49, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I have removed the users IP address as it seems he/she has an account on here. Can and admin hide the version before this from public view. . Lakeside Out!-LakesideMinersClick Here To Talk To Me! 16:54, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
I was able to get in again by clearing cookies again, but if this is going to be a recurring issue, that's a problem. Smartyllama (talk) 18:17, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
I suppressed the IP address.--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:47, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


Hi! Please correct the basepagename from Itunes to iTunes, also please guide how to. Because I have done a failed try on the template page and it had become ITunes. Thanks! M. Billoo 17:43, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

The template name isn't seen by the general readership so why do we care? Still, it can be done. Adding this to the beginning of the template should make the 'i' lower case:
<noinclude>{{lowercase title}}</noinclude>
The template needs to be moved to Template:ITunes.
Trappist the monk (talk) 18:39, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
The first character of a page name cannot be lowercase. It can be displayed lowercase at top of the page itself with {{lowercase title}}, but not elsewhere like search results and categories. We usually don't care with template names which are not displayed to readers, and I'm not sure "Template:ITunes" is better than "Template:Itunes". The former looks like Template:IT something. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:17, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
@Trappist the monk and PrimeHunter: Hi! Thanks for your kind response! I think as Trappist the monk said to use "Template:lowercase title" after moving the page back to correct title "Template:ITunes", so it would appear "Template:iTunes". Like, see the top of iTunes page or Template:iTunes Preview App. However, the redirect can be kept as used on many pages. Thanks! M. Billoo 19:30, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Just to be clear: I do not advocate proceeding along the path to make the template page look like the iTunes page. That, to me, is a rather pointless exercise to little or no benefit to the encyclopedia. Just because a thing can be done does not mean that it should be done.
Trappist the monk (talk) 19:40, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

VA ATTY General Race map[edit]

I would like a map of the results by county for the Virginia Attorney General Race, 2013 Thanks James — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ttcjames (talkcontribs) 22:00, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

@Ttcjames: Virginia Attorney General election, 2013 reference 17 link includes a map. Some of the other refereces there may also. The help page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Next time use the Reference Desk for general knowledge questions. RudolfRed (talk) 01:35, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Ttcjames, remember our unusual cities; not all of the state is counties. Nyttend (talk) 13:08, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

December 14[edit]

Talk:Thylacine keeps breaking[edit]

Could someone markup-minded have a look at Talk:Thylacine? It broke with this edit, I got rid of the symptoms with this edit (by removing a correctly formed cite template from the latest addition - no idea why that worked), but now it's been screwed up again in this edit. Same results: page is being chopped off in the middle of (the same) earlier entry. - There's probably some misplaced bracket in there but I'm sure I can't find it... Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:56, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@Elmidae: An incorrect <ref> tag was messing things up. Is it OK now? -- John of Reading (talk) 10:14, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Didn't I know it would be something duh like that :p Yes, all good now; most obliged! --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:23, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Reference taking me to the wrong webpage[edit]

On the Briefs article an editor inserted a statement backed up with the attached ref:[1]

<ref>{{Citation|title=Male underwear garment|date=Dec 13, 2007|url=|inventor-last=Wright|inventor-first=Priscilla D.|issue=US20070283484 A1|accessdate=2017-12-01}}</ref>

When I try to follow the ref, despite it being listed as it takes me to - however if I paste the address directly into my address bar it works. Why should that be?

I asked the inserting editor if they had any idea why it should behave so, but didn't get a response. Chaheel Riens (talk) 12:54, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


  1. ^ [1], Wright, Priscilla D., "Male underwear garment" 
How do you follow the link: do you merely mean "when I click it"? I just now clicked it, and I ended up at the correct Google page. Nyttend (talk) 12:58, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Yep - when I click it. I just tried it again - I still get taken to the 404. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:00, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
The link's working fine, so I strongly doubt that it's a Google problem or a Wikipedia-rendering problem; it's apparently something with your browser. You may do better to go to WP:RDC and ask about that. It may help, by the way, if you report the URL that you see when you mouse over the link: does it tell you that you're going to Google or to Espacenet? Nyttend (talk) 13:04, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Because this is a patent citation, {{citation}} calls {{citation/patent}} which does not take |url= and instead hard-codes a link to Similarly, |issue= is ignored but |number= should work if you can find the correct value to put in it (|number= becomes part of the url so the value as currently assigned won't work because it contains a space).
Trappist the monk (talk) 13:16, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Alternately, you might rewrite the template:
{{Citation |title=Male underwear garment |date=Dec 13, 2007 |url= |last=Wright|first=Priscilla D. |issue=US20070283484 A1|accessdate=2017-12-01}}
Wright, Priscilla D. (Dec 13, 2007), Male underwear garment (US20070283484 A1), retrieved 2017-12-01 
Trappist the monk (talk) 13:30, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
@Chaheel Riens: inventor-last= is recognized as a patent parameter so it automatically activates Template:Citation#Citing patents which has other parameters than normal citations. It expects a country-code and patent-number instead of a url. {{Citation|title=Male underwear garment|date=Dec 13, 2007|inventor-last=Wright|inventor-first=Priscilla D.|accessdate=2017-12-01|country-code=US|patent-number=2007283484}} produces:
US 2007283484, Wright, Priscilla D., "Male underwear garment" 
I think Nyttend is confused because he clicked the clickable bare url you posted instead of the url generated in the reference. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:44, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

My mothers death date is wrong[edit]

Hello, I have no idea who did my mother's page, however she died in 2014 not 2013. Please correct. I am the daughter mentioned in the times article. Sheila Crystal Devin. Thank-You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:D08A:C800:4E1:4BF1:D2B5:CBB9 (talk) 13:22, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Sheila, could you provide a link to your mother's page? It could be as simple as going there, copying the URL of the page, and pasting it here. Nyttend (talk) 13:32, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
The page in question will be Sheila Guyse. Her NYT obituary gives her death date as 28 December 2013. ‑ Iridescent 13:33, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
I notice that the linked NYT reference is dated "JAN. 15, 2014". Unless the NYT has made two unrelated errors (one in the text of the obituary, another in dating the piece on their website), it's difficult to see how an actual date of 28 Dec 2014 is possible, although an actual date early in January 2014 might be plausible. The problem is, OP, that although you say you are Sheila Crystal Devin, daughter of Sheila Guyse, the only sure information we have about you is that you posted from the IP of 2604:2000:D08A:C800:4E1:4BF1:D2B5:CBB9, which could be anyone. While you may very well be sincere, Wikipedia does get false claims of a similar nature from mischievous posters (I am sure you won't be shocked to be told that people sometimes lie on the Internet), so we have to go with published Reliable Sources, of which the NYT is certainly one.
If you can point us to other sources of comparable reliability which instead give the date you suggest, we can reasonably assume the NYT is incorrect and (a) use them instead. Otherwise, we can only (b) stick with the NYT date; (c) remove the date from the article altogether, as being disputed; or (d) remove it from the Infobox and mention the discrepancy between sources in the text. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 19:47, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
It looks as if your argument is with the New York Times, but if you can point us to an accurate obituary, then we will be happy to change our article. Dbfirs 19:44, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

G13 Routine?[edit]

Regarding g13 deletions, these are drafts that are 6 months old that can be nominated for deletion. my understanding was that even though these pages can be deleted once they are nominated, they don't have to be and the admin responsible is still needed to check them over to see if notable things haven't been nominated by mistake or maliciousness, etc. Or is the deleting admin just responsible for doing a bot-like deletion of everything in g13? without looking at what has been nominated?Egaoblai (talk) 14:17, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Administrators are expected to use discretion always and are not required to take any action that their judgement says is inappropriate. If an admin is using their tools blindly, that would be a problem for a discussion at WP:AN. If you have a specific admin in mind, the issue should be brought up there. If you are just asking idly, then no, admins do not act without judgement and discretion. --Jayron32 14:43, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Request edit[edit]

Hi there!

The tuition listed for the Lycée Français de Chicago is wrong. The tuition is $19,820. Can someone update the number? (talk) 16:13, 14 December 2017 (UTC) Sgaler

 Done. NZFC(talk) 19:35, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Are we allowed to have the 'SineBot' message as our signature?[edit]

The complaining user has been indeffed and his talk page privileges revoked for abuse. μηδείς (talk) 02:03, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

That birb king that you can screech at. 16:21, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I would say no, as apart from anything else, it does not always pick up on unsigned posts. Suggest you just allow your account name to be your signature as the majority of other editors do. Eagleash (talk) 16:39, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
KingOfBirbs, I am going to repeat what I said above in #About a warning that I have received.: "you should either start behaving like a responsible Wikipedia editor (in which case we will be happy to answer genuine requests for help), or else go away and stop bothering us." Changing your signature is permissible (though personally I think some editors spend entirely too much time on it). Changing your signature to mimic something else is disruptive. And in view of the warnings you have already received, asking questions that probe the limits of what is disruptive, is itself disruptive editing. --ColinFine (talk) 17:20, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Are all forms of disguise a form of disruption? King Of Birbs (Screech) (Footprints) 18:14, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Not all, but they might lead readers to ask if you are Wikipedia:Here to build an encyclopedia? Dbfirs 19:40, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text[edit]

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:54, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Which article please. Eagleash (talk) 17:14, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Creation of WP article with a foreign untranslated yet term[edit]

Can I create an article about a term that is being used in a foreign language, by many reliable secondary sources? I will have to translate the term, but it is rather straightforward translation. What is the relevant policy of WP? Τζερόνυμο (talk) 18:09, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that has information about topics, not definitions of terms. Wiktionary is the sister project that records definitions of foreign terms. If the topic merits an encyclopaedic article, then you should use a title that is already in use in English, not your own translation of a foreign term. Dbfirs 19:35, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
No, I am not talking about a definition or a stub. There is no existing translation of the term in english language, yet. Consider a famous israeli band that has released an album in hebrew (lets say נשר שחור meaning black eagle) last month, the album merits an encyclopaedic article, so can I create an article with the title "black eagle" in en.WP? Τζερόνυμο (talk) 20:13, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
I have recently created the page Gumlau, which is a Kachin word, and does not exist in English dictionaries. however anthropologists and sociologist have used it a little, as there is no other word for it and a translation would be too complicated. Use your judgement on this. Many concepts in the English language come from other languages, and it is part of the evolution of language. If there is no direct or suitable translation, then use the original term, but make sure you define it well in the opening sentences of the article. IN the case of the album, if there is no official English title from the band, then do your best to transliterate it into "English letters" that can approximate the original sound of the words. Egaoblai (talk) 21:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, Egaoblai. Are you aware of any Wikipedia policy or guideline concerning the matter? ps- Your Gumlau article is fantastic, I will translate it to greek in a couple of days! Τζερόνυμο (talk) 08:48, 15 December 2017 (UTC)



I appreciate that Wikipedia is publicly sourced and does not want corporate manipulation of articles. If I would like to do something on behalf of my company such as, in this particular case, update our corporate logo to match our website:, how should I go about that in order to make sure the company's page is up to date, while still respecting the editing policies?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mixbook (talkcontribs) 18:50, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello Mixbook, we can update the logo if the company is happy to provide a copy of the logo however there are two other issues at hand, first is your username implies that you are a company and could be a number of users using the name, please see WP:USERNAME. As for the other policies that I recommend you read, please see Conflict of Interest and paid. I have left a message on your user page that has these policies also as well as information about changing your User name. NZFC(talk) 19:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I am happy to provide a logo and let an independent member of the wikipedia community determine if it is appropriate to update. Please let me know the best way to accomplish this. Thank you as well for the information on usernames. I've made it compliant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tucker at Mixbook (talkcontribs) 19:59, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Tucker at Mixbook, if you have any questions about the copyright of the logo, you can ask Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions as one thing I think I've forgotten to mention is by giving access you make your logo free for anyone to use. So maybe best to ask questions there or otherwise someone else with better knowledge around logos maybe able to help. NZFC(talk) 20:27, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
@Tucker at Mixbook: You don't have to make your logo free. We allow copyrighted logos to be displayed as fair use in the infobox about the organization. Is it [3] you want displayed in Mixbook? The procedure for fair use images is a little complicated and new user accounts don't have the required permission but we can do it for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:17, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: I appreciate the clarification and the offer of help. Yes, the logo you've indicated is the correct one for the page indicated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tucker at Mixbook (talkcontribs) 22:52, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
@Tucker at Mixbook: I have uploaded File:Mixbook logo.svg and added it to Mixbook. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:33, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Awesome. I really appreciate your help!

U.S. template[edit]


I would like to know why there is no link to "Society of the United States" on Template:United States topics (last main category). Can someone add it? Thanks.

WhatsUpWorld (talk) 19:53, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I linked 'Society' to Society_of_the_United_States. Ruslik_Zero 20:47, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

How do I submit an article for deletion?[edit]

I have no idea how. Please help. Alex of Canada (talk) 21:43, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@Alex of Canada: There are different ways to do it at Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Processes. Which article do you want deleted for which reason? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:50, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Christopher Hussey (died 1686)[edit]

I have had trouble with ref number 8 on this page - please help. thanks (talk) 22:07, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done, only thing I could see is you had used reference template for a website instead of a newspaper, so changed it over and added in the extra information to make it a more complete reference. NZFC(talk) 23:44, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

John Hussey, 1st Baron Hussey of Sleaford[edit]

I have had trouble with ref number 8 on this page - please help Thanks (talk) 22:09, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done as above. NZFC(talk) 23:44, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Green Numbers Next To Contributions[edit]

Hi, newbie here. I look under my ¨Contributions¨ tag and I see my edits with green positive numbers and some red negative numbers. I would just like to know what they mean, why some are red, and why some are green, and what the number next to them represents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyalAce (talkcontribs) 22:52, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@RoyalAce: It shows how much the page size changed in bytes. See Wikipedia:Added or removed characters. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:56, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

December 15[edit]

Can't get rid of whitespace[edit]

At Willows, California, we have three large templates on the top half of the article: the infobox, the climate box, and a population chart. All of these appear commonly in articles, but generally they display the article on full width, while here nothing except whitespace appears directly below the infobox. Any idea what's wrong? I tried {{clear right}} above the population chart, but it had no effect, and previewing the page without the pushpin map (to shorten the infobox) likewise displayed in the same manner. Nyttend (talk) 01:35, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Fixed was this stray code.--Moxy (talk) 01:50, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

waiting for my draft to be approved since a month[edit]


I have been waiting for my draft: to be approved for a month. It would be of great help if anyone could help me get the draft approved.

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajeshsingri (talkcontribs) 05:11, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@Rajeshsingri: It seems you ave moved the draft to mainspace today...and then moved it back again (please don't do this) and re-submitted as of today. There is currently a backlog of articles awaiting review so prepare to be patient. The draft was previously declined as not correctly sourced, and although some have added, there are still some issues. You cannot use Wikipedia as a source. Please see WP:RS for what constitutes a reliable source, in particular WP:UGC. Please also see WP:REFB for a guide to correctly adding sources. If you have not already done so, please read WP:YFA and WP:MOS and also the links contained in the welcome message at your talk page. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 06:28, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

South African Radio Stations[edit]

Please add the following station to this page; WRFM105.9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:41, 15 December 2017 (UTC)