Template talk:Did you know

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to navigation Jump to search
For instructions on how to nominate an article, see below.
"Did you know...?"
Discussion WT:DYK
Rules WP:DYK
Supplementary rules WP:DYKSG
Noms (awaiting approval) WP:DYKN
Reviewing guide WP:DYKR
Noms (approved) WP:DYKNA
Preps & Queues T:DYK/Q
Currently on Main Page
Main Page errors WP:ERRORS
Archive of DYKs WP:DYKA
April 1 hooks WP:DYKAPRIL
April 1 talk  

This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.


Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
February 27 1
March 3 1
March 6 1 1
March 11 1
April 9 1
April 16 1
April 23 1
April 25 1
April 28 1 1
May 8 1
May 9 2 1
May 10 2
May 14 2 1
May 15 1 1
May 18 1
May 20 1
May 24 2
May 26 1 1
May 27 1
May 30 1
May 31 1 1
June 1 2
June 2 2 1
June 5 1
June 6 1
June 7 1
June 8 2 1
June 9 3 2
June 10 1
June 11 1
June 13 2
June 14 2
June 15 3 2
June 16 1
June 17 3 1
June 18 1 1
June 19 2
June 21 2 2
June 22 3 1
June 23 3 1
June 24 2 1
June 25 2 1
June 26 4 3
June 27 4 2
June 28 2 1
June 29 2 2
June 30 7 1
July 1 5 2
July 2 7 5
July 3 3 2
July 4 4 3
July 5 4 2
July 6 3 3
July 7 12 4
July 8 5 1
July 9 10 6
July 10 6 1
July 11 6
July 12 3 1
July 13 4
July 14 2 1
July 15 2
July 16 1
Total 161 61
Last updated 06:43, 16 July 2018 UTC
Current time is 08:24, 16 July 2018 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.

Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Consider adding {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}} to the article's talk page (without a section heading‍—‌the template adds a section heading automatically).

How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]


This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]

Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
  • Add a link to the nomination subpage at Wikipedia:Did you know/Removed to help in tracking removals.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.


Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on February 27[edit]

Tribune East Tower

Tribune Tower property
Tribune Tower property
  • ... that the proposed Tribune East Tower is part of redevelopment plans for the Tribune Tower property whose views are being protected by local politicians?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 23:06, 27 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new and long enough. Sourced adequately. Within policy. QPQ done. Hook is within formatting guidelines, but not particularly "hooky". However, I think it's decent enough to pass unless another reviewer vehemently agrees that a different hook is necessary. This is my first DYK review so let me know if there are any problems with my review. I'm still learning. Skyes(BYU) (talk) 18:46, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The hook facts are not made out in the article which does not mention politicians. Could we have a different hook please? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
  • The current article has a well sourced sentence that says: "...prospective buyers of the Tribune Tower property had redevelopment plans that were at odds with local interests to protect views of the Tower..." So I'll go with ALT1, which just removes the last three words of the original hook.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:49, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
I find the phrase "whose views are being protected" somewhat ambiguous. How about expressing it differently as in ALT2? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:40, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps @Skyes(BYU): could consider the wording of ALT2 and give it a tick if appropriate. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 16:54, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg The article is pretty short, so I'm not sure there is any way to make it more "hooky". If anything, the hook is more clear now and not as overly wordy. It sounds great! Skyes(BYU) (talk) 17:45, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The reason it's so hard to come up with a hook is because there's hardly any information in the article to work with. It reads like a bulletin in a business magazine. I do not think this article meets Rule D7 in its present form. Yoninah (talk) 00:25, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks, TonyTheTiger, for your new hooks. ALT4 is great – short and snappy. ALT5 is okay, but the part about surpassing Trump Tower as the second-tallest building is not in the article. The article only cites the January 2018 plans where Tribune East Tower would be shorter than Trump Tower. I'll go ahead and approve ALT4, with the hook ref verified and cited inline. Yoninah (talk) 16:00, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger, TheGridExe, Gatoclass, and Yoninah: Any updates? It has been almost a month since the last comment. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:14, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

I didn't know you provided an update, TonyTheTiger. My apologies. I still think it's presenting something that is still in the planning phase. I'm abstaining to vote since I simply don't know in this gray area. – TheGridExe (talk) 19:17, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 3[edit]

Endsleigh Gardens

Hannah Dobbs
Hannah Dobbs
  • ... that Endsleigh Gardens was originally part of Euston Square, but was renamed following a "gruesome murder"?
  • Alt1... that in 1878, Endsleigh Gardens was the scene of a murder for which Hannah Dobbs (pictured) was acquitted at the Old Bailey?

Created by Edwardx (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 23:35, 11 March 2018 (UTC).

COMMENT: @Philafrenzy: the hook is ambiguous, maybe even to the point of being misleading. It was named following the murder, not named after as in given the same name as. Umimmak (talk) 23:34, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, Umimmak. Agreed, hook reworded accordingly. Edwardx (talk) 23:54, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Gruesome murder put in quotes as it is. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:36, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that hook issues have been discussed. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:48, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Long enough. The DYK submission was made a day and half late, but personally I would be willing to overlook that. There is a citation needed template on the article which must be fixed before promotion. No copyvio detected, images properly licensed. Alt1 hook is ok, the first hook would be acceptable if "Euston Square" was changed to "part of Euston Square". I'm concerned with the general quality of the refs. I only did a small sample, but the results were mixed. Ref#1 does not have a named author, but it is on a university site so probably ok. Ref#2 is a ref to a book, but the information appears to have been taken from the publisher's advertising blurb rather than the book itself. At least, that's where the link goes and there are no page numbers cited. Ref#3 is a blog. Ref#4 checks out, but the cited sentence contradicts the lead. The article (and the source) say the whole square was renamed. The lead says the South side was renamed. Ref#9 goes to the promotional site for Friends House, apparently to verify the location of Friends House, but the word "Endsleigh" does not appear on the page. It gives the address as Euston Road, and that's putting aside the question of using a promotional site as a reliable source. I'm not seeing any contribution from either author on the page cited for QPQ. SpinningSpark 18:08, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@Spinningspark: Thanks for the review. First hook struck as not needed. Regarding the refs:

  • I agree that Indiana University Bloomington is reliable despite not having a named author.
  • Ref 2 should be acceptable as a page from The History Press which is a reputable publisher.
  • The only function of Ref 3 appears to be so that we can use the quote "gruesome murder". The Alt can work without it and I take your point that it is a blog, however it is Senate House Library of the University of London (nearby) and can't all murders reasonably be described as "gruesome". There are no nice murders. Do you feel strongly about it?
  • Ref 4 replaced with a better source and wording amended accordingly.
  • By Ref 9 do you mean Ref 5 https://www.friendshouse.co.uk/ ? I have removed it as the fact was already supported by the Ordnance Survey map reference.

There is no requirement for the person who did the QPQ to have made any contribution to this article. The QPQ was a gift in consideration for helping out elsewhere. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:39, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

First of all, there is no indication from the reviewer either here or at the reviewed article that the review has been "donated". More importantly, the QPQ requirement is on the nominator of the article: " For every nomination you make you must review one other nomination (unrelated to you)‍" (my emphasis). I haven't done a new review, I'll wait till the QPQ issue is resolved first, but judging by your replies it looks like it still has problems. SpinningSpark 22:20, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Your italics, it just means that it's one for one, hence quid pro quo. If you check the edit history you will see that the review was added by Whispyhistory, unprompted, with the edit summary "(dyk qpq- gift to EdwardX)". It's not a trick to try to get out of doing one. Edwardx and I have done 100s, it was just a nice thought from another user. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:30, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Spinningspark, having an uninvolved editor donate a QPQ has been done many times in the past here at DYK. It is perfectly legitimate: so long as a full review has been done of another article, while the onus is on the nominator, someone else can volunteer to supply the needed QPQ in place of the nominator. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:24, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Bluemoonset, thanks for clarifying that. QPQ is all good now. It would have been clearer if the donation had been stated and linked to the edit summary that actually made the donation. I'll take another look at the article. SpinningSpark 08:10, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Still problematic
    • "gruesome murder". If this is in quotes, it must be attributed to someone and cited directly with an inline cite per WP:V. If it is not in quotes, it is being said in Wikipedia's voice and runs afoul of WP:WTW.
    • "The Ghosts of Senate House" ref is still a blog regardless of Sarah Sparkes' (the blogger) connection with Senate House Libraary. There is no evidence that Sparkes meets the expert requirement at WP:SPS. The strapline at the top of the page reads "apocryphal stories and the spirit of the place", to my mind, openly declaring itself to be non-RS. The page calls for ghost stories to be sent in, and many of the posts on the page are from authors other than Sparkes with no sign there has been any kind of editorial fact checking. The relevant post is not by Sparkes, but by Chris Josiffe who appears to be an undergraduate, again almost certainly not meeting WP:SPS.
    • On reflection, I accept the History Press source as being reliable, but only because it was written by Jan Bondeson himself, the author of the book being discussed, and he probably does meet WP:SPS. We do not normally accept publihser's blurbs as being reliable, no matter how notable the publishing house is. Basically, they are advertising and can't be relied on to be a true reflection of the book's content or all its nuances.
This will be my last review of this submission. Please do not ping me, if you need another review then wait for anouther reviewer. SpinningSpark 09:23, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg "Gruesome murder" replaced with just murder. Blog removed. New reviewer required for the final tick since everything else has been done as far as I can see. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:38, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

A lengthy-ish book account of the murder is here. Might make a better ref. Johnbod (talk) 14:14, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks @Johnbod:, but as far as I can see everything has been addressed and it just needs a final tick. (perhaps you could oblige?) Philafrenzy (talk) 13:06, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
  • General eligiblity:

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg article appears quite clear and concise, cited and laid out out well. Very interesting. I might have added a hook about Persephone books wishing a well deserved blue plaque for Amy Levy, but current hook great. copyvio 7.4% ok. Noted slight delay in nomination was ok. Whispyhistory (talk) 18:33, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returned from prep for further work per discussion at WT:DYK#Prep 1 - who is Hannah Dobbs?. New hooks under consideration:
  • ALT2: ... that the unsolved "Euston Square Murder" was so notorious that the houses where it took place were renamed Endsleigh Gardens? Yoninah (talk) 10:24, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT2a: ... that the unsolved "Euston Square Murder" for which Hannah Dobbs (pictured) was acquitted at the Old Bailey in 1879, was so notorious that the houses where it took place were renamed Endsleigh Gardens? Needs the pic I think since it clearly places it in time as a Victorian murder mystery. And since we are saying unsolved we can also say acquitted. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:36, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
  • @Philafrenzy: ALT2a is really wordy. If you want to work in Hannah Dobbs, although she's not notable enough for her own Wikipedia page (maybe you want a double hook?), try:
  • ALT3: ... that in 1879, Hannah Dobbs (pictured), a former servant at No. 4 Eaton Square, was implicated in the discovery of a corpse in the coal cellar, but was acquitted at the Old Bailey for lack of evidence? Yoninah (talk) 19:22, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Either Alt2 or ALT4: ... that the "Euston Square Murder" for which Hannah Dobbs (pictured) was acquitted, was so notorious that the houses where it took place were renamed Endsleigh Gardens?
I don't see why we can't use the image, she's long dead and closely relates to the hook. We don't need to explain everything and the reader can easily infer from the image that we are talking about an historic event. I don't think she needs to be notable either. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:17, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg But she's not notable, and she was acquitted of the crime. The people over at WP:ERRORS are very insistent on notability on the main page. Thanks for okaying ALT2; new reviewer needed to review that one. Yoninah (talk) 19:05, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
She doesn't need to be notable, it's the street that is notable and she's an illustration of someone from the street. It also doesn't matter that she was acquitted. Let errors moan if they like, that's what they enjoy. It's twice as strong with the pic. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:53, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Agreed - plus the crime certainly would be notable, even if she is not. Johnbod (talk) 03:57, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg It looks like the article is okay, and the issues relate to the hook. I've reworked the part of the article dealing with the renaming, and made it a separate section, following the one about the murder. Based on the changes, I'd like to suggest a hook, quoting a source from 1884, which I think is intriguing. Since I've made the revisions and suggested the hook, I can't sign off. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 02:18, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT5: ... that a side of Euston Square may have "tried to bury the murderous memories attached thereto" by changing its name to Endsleigh Gardens?

Articles created/expanded on March 11[edit]

Sayyidat Nisa al-Alamin

Created/expanded by Ali Ahwazi (talk). Self-nominated at 10:27, 11 March 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen in online English-language sources. No QPQ needed for first-time nominator.
  • However, the article needs a copyedit for an English-language readership. It is unclear why the article begins with the section "Al-'Alamin" or what this section is coming to tell us. The rest of the writing is written in an unencyclopedic manner and is hard to understand, like:

Besides, it is quoted that Muhammad said “Fatimah is the leader of the ladies of paradise”, then it was asked of Imam Jafar al-Sadiq that “Is Fatimah the best lady of her time?” then he mentioned Mary as the best lady of her time, and Fatimah as the best lady of the paradise since start till end of the world. Meanwhile, many famous Shia scholars among Shaikh Tusi have quoted such high title(s) of Fatimah in their books.

  • I suggest you ask at WP:GOCE for help in bringing this article up to English-language standards. Yoninah (talk) 22:53, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
I reviewed the references a bit and it doesn't seem very satisfactory. Especially the Sunni section, it cherrypicks several opinions of individual Sunni scholars (who might not even use the exact term as far as I can see), and then use those to support the generic statement that "Sunni Islam considers Fatimah as Sayyidat Nisa al-Alamin". Many of the citation are primary (using primary texts from centuries ago) and might not necessarily reflect the opinion of the Sunni community as a whole. HaEr48 (talk) 07:04, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, HaEr48, have subsequent edits dealt with the issues you raised, or are there still issues that need to be addressed? BlueMoonset (talk) 04:59, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: To be honest I'm still not satisfied with the Sunni section. The references seem to be cherrypicked and not very encyclopedic. There are a lot of WP:WEASEL wording such as "there are quotations from famous Sunni scholar" or " There are also similar narration(s) from Sunni sources", cited to either questionable source or very fringe books. If this is a title that mainstream Sunni use, surely the author should be able to find a more mainstream citation? Therefore, I doubt the suitability of including Sunni in the hook, or even in the article. No comment on the Shia part, because I'm not familiar with Shia sources. HaEr48 (talk) 04:41, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg There have been no edits to the article since April, and despite the recent comments by BlueMoonset and HaEr48 in May, there has been no response from the nominator either here or on their talk page. I will leave one final message at the nominator's talk page, but if there is no response within the next few days, this will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:15, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
I eliminated the section of "Al-'Alamin" from the mentioned article. Besides, I edited/removed some texts of it --in order to make it more appropriate in an encyclopedic manner. Additionally, hopefully I'll pay more attention to edit it --especially in "Sunni narrations" section in the next days/weeks. Finally, I appreciate profit mentioned recommendations. Ali Ahwazi (talk) 13:47, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Ali Ahwazi, your recent edits have left the article below the minimum 1500 prose characters required for DYK; it is currently at 1402 prose characters. You will need to bring it back above this minimum, and since the nomination has been open for over three months now, I don't think we can wait "weeks" for that to happen; please try to make the necessary improvements in the next seven days or so. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:30, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  • The article is now over 1500 characters. @HaEr48: are you satisfied with the Sunni section? Otherwise I will fail this nomination. Yoninah (talk) 21:34, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg HaEr48 has not edited since June 30, and has not responded to multiple requests for comment on the article expansion. As such, a new reviewer is requested to check if the article now meets the DYK guidelines. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:38, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Sorry for the delay: I'm a bit occupied in real life, and don't currently have reliable internet access. I'm still very skeptical about this nomination. The main assertion in the Sunni section ("Sunni Islam considers Fatimah (Muhammad's daughter and Ali's wife) as Sayyidat Nisa al-Alamin") on which the hook also depends are cited to obscure items (books with no link/authorlink/ISBN/etc.) and a website of unclear authority. Surely if this is an accepted Sunni view, more mainstream sources can be found? I'll also drop a message in the WP:ISLAM talk page to see if other folks can provide info or more sources.
  • Just to provide context to other editors: the degree of reverence for the members of Muhammad family (such as Fatimah, the subject here) is sometimes a source of tension between Shia and Sunni Islam. Sunnis, while respecting the family, are typically wary of the excessive (according to Sunnis) reverence often given by Shias. This is why I'd like to be careful about the hook and the Sunni section. Without solid references this might appear controversial. HaEr48 (talk) 02:49, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Coming here from WT:ISLAM. I have a few concerns from a linguistic point of view. First, the Arabic-script name suggests the transliteration is Sayyidat al-Nisa al-'Alamin, so either the original Arabic or the transliteration is incorrect. Next the translation: as far as I am aware, sayyidah means "mistress" or "lady" (as in a female lord), nisa is simply "women" (see Surah an-Nisa), and al-'Alamin means "worlds" according to most translations of Surah 1:1; no "all the women", no "of all times". I do not know how they got to the current (too) elaborate translation, but it might have to do with the source being a book translated by Iranians, i.e. non-native speakers of Arabic/English. It would be nice if you could find a better source for its translation, preferably written by someone proficient in both Arabic and English. --HyperGaruda (talk) 14:56, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Actually, nevermind that anymore, I found a better and more neutral encyclopedic entry to address my concerns. --HyperGaruda (talk) 15:22, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
  • What I still find concerning though, is the synthesis of multiple sources to imply that the entirety of Shi'ism/Sunnism attributes this title to Fatimah, although only a select few literally say this in-text. Most other references only say that Fatimah is called sayyidat nisa' al-'alamin, while no explicit link is given between the reference being Shi'i/Sunni and it attributing the title to Fatimah. A case of WP:OVERCITE if you will. --HyperGaruda (talk) 15:57, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 9[edit]


  • ... that history is non-science?
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by WhatamIdoing (talk). Self-nominated at 23:56, 16 April 2018 (UTC).

  • Starting the review.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:32, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
  • New enough.
  • Long enough.
  • Well-sourced, with one error in formatting (confusion with article title/work) that I've fixed.
  • No close paraphrasing detected.
  • Neutral tone.
  • The hook is properly formatted, short enough, neutral and interesting.
Symbol question.svg *User:WhatamIdoing: Do you have a QPQ please?Zigzig20s (talk) 23:14, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
I don't think that I have five DYK credits yet, but I reviewed Superfest International Disability Film Festival last year. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:23, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg By "I don't think", I assume you mean "I am positive I don't." So it's fine.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:10, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hello, I came by to promote this, but the article right now has a big "{{Globalize}}" template in one of its sections. This might need to be resolved first before this is approved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:15, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
User:SteveMcCluskey: I removed it as undue. Wikipedia is a work in progress, everything could potentially be improved, but I don't see it as a pressing issue and if it's going to block the DYK, that's not good. The issue could potentially be addressed afterwards, although I don't see it as a problem frankly.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:26, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg It seems there are no more objections from SteveMcCluskey so I am restoring Zigzig20s' tick. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:47, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Symbol delete vote.svg The hook is decidedly not neutral as there are sources (now cited in the article) that put history (and other humanistic disciplines) within the sciences. SteveMcCluskey (talk) 15:36, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Not really. Archeology is not history, stricto sensu. History would be the interpretation (or commentary) of archaeological discoveries. Zigzig20s (talk) 02:00, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
@Zigzig20s: Do you have any suggestions for alternative hooks? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:07, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
I think the suggested hook works, as archeology is not history. It's a tool of history, like statistics or geography.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:09, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
@SteveMcCluskey: Thoughts? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:25, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello, all, I understand that there's some legitimate disagreement about classifying archaeology in this concept (i.e., a concept that separates natural sciences and similar disciplines from other knowledge-generating activities, like religion and art), because archaeology contains both science and non-science aspects, and any given researcher's work might be best described as one label or the other. Steve added information about the OECD's bureaucratic numbering system, but archaeology isn't really the important example there. The OECD's list explicitly includes the whole of humanities as one of the six areas of science and technology. This means that the OECD believes that (for their funding and statistical purposes) art and religion are "sciences". Opera and religious ceremonies are all perfectly fine in their own way, and they are perfectly legitimate Wissenschaftlich subjects – but they are not Science (in what Steve calls the English sense of the word, i.e., the only sense that's actually relevant for this article). The point of the OECD classification is that when a government gives a grant to encourage religious participation, then that should be called "science and technology research". The point of this concept is that religion is not science.
Also, as a general point, I'd like to say that a bureaucratic classification system is a weak source for deciding how one ought to organize knowledge. Epistemiology is an ancient academic subject that is not constrained by the rules written 12 years ago about how governments ought to report their research and development spending to another government agency that they hope will give them money. But if Steve really believes that's the true definition, then I'd invite him to add that definition to Science and see if he can get a consensus for it. If editors agree to re-define Science as including all of these "non-science" subjects, such as the entire list of things called "Humanities" in the OECD list, then we could merge this article away and be done with it. But if they don't – if, as I suspect they will, they insist upon defining Science as being only and exclusively systematic knowledge of a particular kind, and therefore all other knowledge is not science – then we should set the subject of this article accordingly (and probably link to Wissenschaft in the article about the OECD's FOS categories, so readers don't get so confused about religion being considered "science and technology"). WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:47, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
  • @WhatamIdoing: Do you have alternative suggestions for a hook then? It seems the original won't fly. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
    • Why isn't the original acceptable? It's sourced, and it's the mainstream position. Finding "history" listed in a document about how to report government funding of "science and technology" does not actually prove that there is a general consensus that history is science. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:27, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
      • @WhatamIdoing: I'm personally fine with the hook, it's SteveMcCluskey who has issues with it. Anyway I took a look at the source given in the article, and while it suggests history is considered a non-science, the same article suggests that there's significant debate on the matter and the status of history as a science or non-science is controversial. I suppose to be on the safe side, an alternate hook is suggested here while the original hook remains under discussion. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:17, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
        • The cited source says, "The English word “science” is primarily used about the natural sciences and other fields of research that are considered to be similar to them. Hence, political economy and sociology are counted as sciences, whereas studies of literature and history are usually not." That doesn't sound like classifying history as non-science is controversial. At minimum, it's no more controversial than the whole (English and French) idea that there is some significant difference between the study of physics and the study of morality, which some (mostly German- and Dutch-speaking) philosophers reject. It is true that some historians in the 19th century tried to re-define science to include the historians' particular style of creating knowledge, but it didn't fly. (See Nomothetic and idiographic for some of that; 'the proton always behaves thusly under these circumstances' is nomothetic knowledge, but 'this Great Man, in this time and place, behaved thusly' is idiographic.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:53, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
          • My concern is that the article can be read as taking non-science as an inferior grade of "knowledge" -- or even as not being real knowledge at all. Hanssen nicely addresses this issue in his article in the Encyclopedia of Philosophy: "The German term [Wissenschaft] has the advantage of more adequately delimiting of [sic] the type of systematic knowledge that is at stake in the conflict between science and pseudoscience. The misrepresentations of history presented by Holocaust deniers and other pseudo-historians are very similar in nature to the misrepresentations of natural science promoted by creationists and homeopaths." Unfortunately, this important concern is not addressed by the Wikipedia article Non-science, which is one of my problems with it. --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 19:32, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
            • I think that having this article at all is the first step in addressing your concern. Step 1 in not thinking that non-science is bad information is discovering that (most) non-science is things like history and art and literature, rather than things like lies and fraud. Can you give an example of a sentence in the article that implies that non-science is inferior? I can understand reading it and learning that some non-science is inferior, but that's the parts of non-science that wouldn't be considered Wissenschaft, either. To put it another way, . WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:19, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg @WhatamIdoing: It has been one month since the last major edits to the article. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:03, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
    • Narutolovehinata5, I am not planning any further major changes. The concerns about Wissenschaft are orthogonal – they are, essentially, that this idea should not exist, because people ought to divide knowledge into scholarly vs non-scholarly rather than scientific vs non-scientific. I agree that often they should, but (for other purposes) they shouldn't, and more to the point, they frequently don't. I really don't think there is anything actionable in those comments. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:43, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg As it appears we're currently stuck, I'm now requesting another uninvolved user to continue this review. Fresh minds are needed here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
  • The article seems fine from a neutrality standpoint. If the reader comes away thinking that the humanities is the same as holocaust denial and homeopathy, then that's probably saying more about the reader than it is about the article. The first hook is a little bland. Could go with something like ...that no single test has yet been devised that can clearly separate science from non-science?, although with the quote given in the citation, I'm not sure it's perfectly supported by the source, but may rather be inferred from the source. If you wanted to go with something with more purposefully dry humor, could go with something like ...that non-science includes all areas of study that are not science? GMGtalk

Articles created/expanded on April 16[edit]

Dafydd Gibbon

Dafydd Gibbon in Poznań, 2010
Dafydd Gibbon in Poznań, 2010
  • ... that Dafydd Gibbon (pictured) started his academic career in London Baptist Students Society?
  • Comment: This is a website created on 16th April 2018.

Created by Jolanta Bachan (talk). Self-nominated at 17:16, 24 April 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Apart from the fact this was moved into the wrong template space. Created 16th April, nominated 24th April. this is outside the 7 day window thus is ineligible. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:26, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg We can certainly give one day leeway to a new DYK nominator. However, the article is tagged for primary sources. Can you improve the page with secondary sources? Yoninah (talk) 20:53, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
  • @The C of E and Yoninah: The nominator hasn't edited since May 22, so it might be possible that the issues may not be resolved soon. As for the hook itself, I think it needs to be rejected: for one thing, the society doesn't even have a Wikipedia article, and it frankly feels bland. Going to his article, there are a few other things about him that could be hook worthy: one was that he was both a "Linguist of the Day" and a "Featured Linguist". Another, possibly more interesting hook for the general public, is that he has published on European, African, and Asian languages: sure he's a linguist, but that variety might catch readers' attention. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:33, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: This isn't an abandoned nomination; in fact, the nominator made those changes on May 22 and is waiting for me to respond. I will do so later. Yoninah (talk) 10:23, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: The nominator has added additional sources to the article. @Jolanta Bachan: As for the hook itself, I'm afraid I've struck it since it's not really that interesting or hook worthy. Please suggest another hook based on the article text: my comment above has some suggestions for hook bases. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:05, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I also question the notability of this subject. The page is tagged for primary references. Yoninah (talk) 13:09, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Dear Yoninah and Narutolovehinata5, I added another external source for the article of Dafydd Gibbon. Now there are 5 primary sources and 9 external sources. I don't know what else I could do to removed the tag for primary references. Jolanta Bachan (talk) 10:03, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

  • There are so many primary references here that I'm ready to tag this for lack of notability per Wikipedia standards (please read that page). The lead says nothing about his notability, just facts about his academic career and publications, which many other professors share. Rather than cite facts to his CV, can't you cite them to independent sources? Has he been interviewed by newspapers? Has his work been written up in magazines or journals? I wonder if you have a personal interest in posting this page. I did some editing on the article. Yoninah (talk) 21:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi Yoninah! I am so surprised by the strick comments on English Wikipedia. I did the website in Polish and the experienced Wikipedists were content. The professor is well known in the field of linguistics, computational linguistics, and phonetics, was the editor of 3 handbooks published by Walter de Gruyter, received the medal of Ivory Coast, the medal of Adam Mickiewicz University, and supervised over 20 PhD theses of people from all over the world. This means he is well known in the field and maybe someone else could evaluate his notability. Is Wikipedia only for celebrities who appear on "breakfast programs"? On ResearchGate he has over 1000 citations and over 7000 reads. And ResearchGate is much younger than his work and people who he educated. I looked for articles or interviews with him, but he lives in Germany and it was a bit difficult to find on German sites, not to mention I wouldn't find online articles which appered 30 years ago in newspapers. Greetings from Poland. --Jolanta Bachan (talk) 22:42, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I'm sorry, I'm not seeing how he meets any of the criteria under WP:PROF. Most of the information here is sourced to his curriculum vitae. I don't see independent sources. I don't see significant awards. I'd like to call on another editor to re-review this. Yoninah (talk) 21:55, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 25[edit]

Intel 5-level paging

A diagram of five levels of paging
A diagram of five levels of paging

Created by Bellezzasolo (talk). Self-nominated at 22:02, 26 April 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is long enough and has been moved from the Draft namespace on the indicated day. Bellezzasolo has 2 DYK credits so far, no need for a QPQ. I'll still have to check for copyvios. For now I see the following issues:
    1. The article is currently an orphan. I guess this needs to be resolved before it can appear on the main page.
    2. I like the original hook. It is quirky but I'm not sure it is correct: As far as I can tell, it is not a processor walk but a page table walk. I'm not knowledgeable about this topic, and I haven't got access to the ACM DL source, but it seems to me (from an unreferenced section of Page table) that this process is not directly, or not always, handled by the processor. Could the article section be expanded to clarify this?
--Pgallert (talk) 16:29, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
@Pgallert: I've fixed the orphan issue, it was a natural addition to the IA32E page. Page table walks are performed by the MMU (Memory Management Unit), which is generally a part of the processor. (I mean, processors do a load of different things all at the same time). I'll clarify on the article. (Edit: I think done). Bellezzasolo Discuss 12:49, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
@Bellezzasolo: Ja, and someone undid your edit. I have re-inserted it in another form now. Doing the plagiarism check tomorrow morning, too much to download from my current connection. --Pgallert (talk) 17:32, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
I've added ALT2, which is the hook, but with a quirky tie in to the picture. Bellezzasolo Discuss 01:32, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
@Bellezzasolo: I have now done the copyvio check and detected no problems. All meticulously reworded. In fact, I couldn't find one statement in the source, details on the talk page. ALT2 is a good suggestion, but the word "fields" would have to appear in the article for this hook to be good. The picture is self-created by the nominator and can be used for the hook, although without the picture subscript. I have missed that this is now common. Pgallert (talk) 19:48, 1 May 2018 (UTC) Taking quirkiness a step further, how about ALT3 below? --Pgallert (talk) 09:47, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment Fails criteria - there is no way it is of interest to a broad audience, not by any reasonable definition of that term. Only specialists in Intel CPU architecture will have the slightest clue what this is about. "Will make Intel processors walk farther" is a cute hook but that's not enough; you don't want a DYK to leave readers wondering "what was that about? I never heard of any of that stuff." Anyway, although this particular article is new, Intel has made their CPUs "walk farther" twice before (once with PAE, once with em64t paging). If it's ever actually implemented this will be completely invisible to the average user and even to most developers - hardly a broad audience. And regarding that point, the suggested hook is misleading, even just plain wrong; the reference is to a specification for a possible future implementation. There is nothing anywhere to suggest that Intel is actually going to implement it. So at this time it is a gross overstatement to say that Intel is "planning" this. Correcting the hook will only narrow the interest further. Jeh (talk) 00:05, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg This nomination has been stalled a bit by side discussions, here, on the nomination talk page, and on the article talk page. Trying to sum up, and from my perspective, we have the following:

  1. Most typical formal DYK requirements have been checked by me and are fulfilled. No copyvio, image suitable, long enough, new enough, referenced, etc.
  2. There is a concern by Jeh that the hook statement is not interesting to a broad audience and that it thus violates 3a of the eligibility criteria. I'm not sure how to handle this, or if the various songs, fungi, sports results and low-level biographies fare any better.
  3. There is a further concern about the word "planned" in the various hooks. I'd like to solicit opinions and suggestions about how to make a more realistic statement, preferably keeping a somewhat quirky hook.

I'll weigh into the discussion but am currently uncomfortable to approve or disapprove the nomination in general, or a specific hook. --Pgallert (talk) 19:31, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Regarding planned, the fact that intel developers added the code required to handle this to the Linux kernel is very indicative. The impression given by the secondary sources is that this change is in the pipeline, so I don't see anything wrong with planned. Planned extensions may not come to pass, and still be planned - and notable (e.g. SSE5). I didn't say "upcoming" because of this uncertainty, and "proposed" may be accurate, and would work in the hook. However, "planned" does have a basis in our primary source - "This document describes planned extensions". From WP:CRYSTAL, "Wikipedia does not predict the future. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred" (emphasis added). This would merit an article if it comes to pass or it doesn't, so shouldn't be a problem on that front. As for interest, support for lots more RAM is an important advance, and will have be significant in the future, even if very much behind the scenes. Bellezzasolo Discuss 21:45, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Regarding interest, 3a applies to the hook. We don't want hooks to be dry and boring, but to rather entice people in. Obviously subjective, and I'll leave that to others. But it only applies to the hook. The purpose of the articles, stated as an aim of DYK, is

To present facts about a range of topics which may not necessarily otherwise receive Main Page exposure
To highlight the variety of information on Wikipedia, thereby providing an insight into the range of material that Wikipedia covers.

I'd say that this means we cover somewhat quirky, niche topics, not shun them. Bellezzasolo Discuss 21:53, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
I don't think we should say it's "planned" unless and until it appears on an Intel CPU roadmap.
"Support for lots more RAM is an important advance." But this isn't about RAM! 4-level paging already supports a 52-bit physical address space, and the 5-level paging hierarchy doesn't change that.
Even if it were about RAM, current processors can already address far more RAM than motherboards have places to plug it in, or that anybody outside of a supercomputer center could afford.
I do not agree that the extremely specialized nature of this topic is not a problem here. I know what you are saying in that rigorously interpreted, point 3A only applies to the hook. But the whole concept will still be completely opaque to the vast majority of readers. As in "no, I didn't know that, and even after reading the article I have no idea what it meant." What good will it do the general reader to attract them to an article that they're not going to understand? Heck, most developers aren't aware of or care about this stuff any more. Jeh (talk) 22:51, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
That's not the case. I assure you that the developers are aware of this stuff. I think that given the sort of readership we have, the article will do alright at DYK. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 12:18, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg This has been stalled for two months now. A second opinion is needed on the interest of the proposed hook(s), so this can move forward. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:05, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: Of the three hooks, I think only ALT0 would really work and be interesting to a general audience (I don't find Pgallert's proposed ALT3 hooky), if only because readers may be curious as to what "walk further" means. It could work in the quirky slot. I'm also endorsing the previous technical review of the DYK requirements and I can see no more problems with the article. This should be good to go, but as a courtesy, I'll wait for responses from previous reviewers @Pgallert, Jeh, and Hawkeye7:. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:41, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
In my view the original hook would be best. I do have an issue with the usage of terabytes / petabytes, but that's clearly a minority view. --Pgallert (talk) 09:17, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
I still think it belongs nowhere on the front page with any of the hooks. Whatever happened to "Wikipedia is written for a general audience"? That should apply to the front page more than any other place! The "walk farther" (and if you use "walk" it should be "farther", not "further") hook will lead the general audience to just a puzzled expression (huh? what? what's "walking" mean here?). And all three are misleading as phrased in that the Intel whitepaper explicitly disclaims that there are any such "plans"; the whitepaper only describes a possible future development. Show me an Intel "future processors" roadmap that mentions this and I'll shut up about that point. Jeh (talk) 18:21, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
  • After much discussion here, I am ready to mark this for closure. There are concerns about the accuracy of the hook, and concerns about interest to a broad audience, and given that this nomination has been ongoing since April, it appears that moving forward is proving to be difficult. I will wait for a response from the nominator here, otherwise this will be marked for closure in the next few days. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:12, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 8[edit]

2018–19 RFU Championship

Created by Steven a91 (talk) and The C of E (talk). Nominated by The C of E (talk) at 19:44, 8 May 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article checks out the requirements: it's new enough, long enough, adequately sourced, with appropriately-licensed images, and with a QPQ provided by the nominator. Earwigs gives a score of 2.0% confirming that it has no copyright infringing material or plagiarism. However, @Steven a91 and The C of E:, I have concerns about the hook: while rugby is a popular sport worldwide, I'm not sure if the hook is interesting to a broad audience since the British and Irish Cup may not be familiar to those who do not regularly follow rugby. Perhaps an alternate hook could be suggested here? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:52, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah, Cwmhiraeth, BlueMoonset, Gatoclass, and The Rambling Man: Thoughts? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:47, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Basically meaningless jargon and almost certain to drive readers away. Either more links are required or a different hook should be proposed which complies with the DYK rules (see 3a - interesting to a broad audience.") This clearly does not meet that requirement. (P.S. I played rugby for ten years, and I certainly don't think this is even that interesting to a rugby fan, let alone "a broad audience). The Rambling Man (talk) 06:53, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
    • ALT1 ...that Coventry RFC will return to the 2018–19 RFU Championship for the first time in eight years?
    • ALT2 ... that the 2018–19 RFU Championship will feature London Irish after their relegation from the Premiership? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:03, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
      Both boring, just plain statements of what happens in a league structure. Teams go up, teams go down. And the refusal to link the teams is detrimental to the reader who may not be aware of "London Irish" for example. This may be one of those articles which just needs to be failed because it contains nothing of interest to a broad audience. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:23, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
      • In your opinion of course, Interest is subjective and furthermore I am not "refusing" to link the teams as I do not want WP:OLINK and I can leave it to the prep builder if they want to add extra links. Nevertheless ALT3 ... that the 2018–19 RFU Championship will be the first season of English rugby's second tier without Rotherham Titans in 14 years? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:49, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
        • I'm sorry, but I think I may have to agree with TRM on this one. None of the other alternate hooks appear interesting to a broad audience (if anything, perhaps ALT2 might be the closest to being interesting; perhaps it could be approved with some changes). This is because, honestly, few non-rugby fans would be aware of these teams and thus won't be able to appreciate the hook. At the very least, I suppose I suggest we stick with ALT2 and find a way to make it have a broader appeal (as the London Irish appear to be a particularly famous team in the world of rugby union). Narutolovehinata5 t ccsdnew 08:15, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
        • I'm just ensuring you comply with DYK rule 3a. These proposed hooks are, of course, not interesting to a broad audience. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:07, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

The original hook looks okay to me but you'd have to link British and Irish Cup. I'm not keen on the alts, I'm inclined to agree with the others that relegations up and down are pretty standard fare. Gatoclass (talk) 10:30, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: I don't see what the error here is: if it's officially called the British and Irish Cup but it was English teams that withdrew, then I'm not sure how that's an error. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:23, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Which blurb are you asserting is the one to post? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:28, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
@The Rambling Man: ALT0 since that appears to be the preference of both the nominator and Gatoclass. Personally I don't have a preferred hook at the moment. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:52, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, so see above. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:14, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to try to help. I know nothing about rugby. The article doesn't seem to have much material to draw on for a hook; maybe it should be expanded? In the meantime, I wonder if you could do something hooky resembling a final score, like:
  • ALT3: ... that the teams playing in the 2018–19 RFU Championship are 11–1? Yoninah (talk) 19:31, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I don't understand that one at all @Yoninah:, sorry (where is 11-1 in the article anyway?). Would you be able to look at the others originally proposed please? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 23:47, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
  • @The C of E: I was trying to work something around the 11 English teams and 1 Jersey team in the championship. Like the other editors here, I don't find the other hooks particularly interesting. Yoninah (talk) 17:12, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
  • OK I get it now. Well I have no problems with it but I do suspect some may raise their eyebrows like I did but would be happy for it to go forward @Yoninah:. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 23:22, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg OK. New reviewer needed for ALT3. Yoninah (talk) 18:40, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 9[edit]

Unity of the intellect

Created by HaEr48 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:12, 8 May 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article currently focusses on the ideas of Averroes, crediting him with the main thesis. But he was interpreting Aristotle and was not alone in this. When one searches for the phrase unity of the intellect, one finds this attributed to other earlier thinkers such as Avempace. For example, "Ibbn Bajja was known preeminently as the proponent of the theory of the unity of the intellect". So, there seems to be two ways that this can be resolved. If the article keeps its current title, then it should present the development of Aristotle's idea of the passive intellect as the work of many philosophers over time and not start with Averroes. If it is to focus specifically on Averroes' ideas then it needs a narrower title and some justification for being distinct from Averroism. Also, a QPQ is needed too, of course. Andrew D. (talk) 18:33, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
@Andrew Davidson: Thanks for your review. QPQ is added. As for your question. Yes he interpreted Aristotle, but that doesn't mean it's not a distinct idea. During his time, the scientific method wasn't commonly practiced and progress in thoughts was often made by exegesis and drawing new conclusion from previous texts (especially Aristotle). The background section had a little bit more about previous theses on a single intellect, and also how Averroes' idea is distinct. Basically the other thinkers hold that each individual human has their own intellect which somehow cooperates with the single, superhuman intellect, while Averroes' idea says this singe intellect is the human mind itself, and there is no individual intellect. The sources I cite clearly associate this thesis with Averroes, e.g. "Averroes' proposal was greeted with derision" or "Averroes' best known philosophical doctrine holds that there is only one intellect for all human beings" (see also surrounding texts in both sources). As for Ibn Bajjah, I haven't read about his thesis in detail, but Adamson p.190 says that "Averroes decided he could not accept Ibn Bajja's teaching", which indicate his idea is different from Averroes'? Does this make sense? HaEr48 (talk) 06:15, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
@Andrew Davidson: I'm waiting for your reply. HaEr48 (talk) 01:04, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg My point has not been addressed and so I'm not willing to pass this. As we don't agree, I suggest getting another opinion to help establish a consensus. Andrew D. (talk) 06:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article otherwise meets all the DYK requirements (length/newness/copyright/stability/QPQ/etc.), but I'm concerned about the article's structure. Checking online, it seems that most discussion of the concept was made by Aquinas, and yet Aquinas only gets one paragraph in the article. I also agree Andrew that the article needs more discussion about other proponents of the theory (such as Ibbn Bajja). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:08, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for the review. As for why most internet search result had Aquinas, it's because Aquinas wrote a book trying to reject the theory, the book is called On the Unity of the Intellect against Averroists I suspect most of your search result mentioning Aquinas is actually an e-book or an e-commerce site selling this book. Aquinas himself reject the theory (see paragraph 3 of "Legacy" section in the article, where Aquinas' rejection is discussed with citation). Since Aquinas is not a proponent of this theory, but a denier, it makes sense that he's not discussed in the "Theory" section where we discuss the theory itself, but only in "Legacy" section where we discuss various responses to the theory. Does that make sense? HaEr48 (talk) 04:36, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
@HaEr48: If that's the case, perhaps some more detail could be added to the article? Considering Aquinas' treatise doesn't appear to have its own article, and how retrospective coverage gives a lot of attention to said treatise, it probably needs at the very least its own section as opposed to just one paragraph. It doesn't even elaborate Aquinas' critiques other than the sentence "He used the philosophical and theological oppositions mentioned above, and used his own reading of Aristotle to show that Averroes misinterpreted what Aristotle said". And as I previously mentioned, the article still feels incomplete with regards to discussion by other supporters of the theory. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:56, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for the response. The paragraph before the paragraph you cited detailed the criticism from Aquinas—which he shares with other Scholastics. I feel it unnecessary to repeat it in the next paragraph. I updated the article to make it clear that the preceding paragraph includes Aquinas' criticism [1]. "Criticism" now has its own section. As for the other supporters of the theory, the "Latin Averroists" section names multiple supporters of the theory as well as their contributions. Let me know if there's more I can do. HaEr48 (talk) 02:09, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg @HaEr48: The sectioning is a lot better now and I'm almost ready to pass this. With that said, Andrew Davidson's concern about other proponents of the concept (such as Avempace) are not even mentioned in the article remains unaddressed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:08, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: added a passage about avempace or Ibn Bajjah. HaEr48 (talk) 02:59, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Noted. Calling on Andrew to finish the nomination and to state if their objections have been addressed or not. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:45, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg No, my objection has not been sufficiently addressed. One can see this in the opening sentence and lead which still credits the concept to Averroes alone. Andrew D. (talk) 07:24, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Expanded the lead to note the influence and contributions from other thinkers. HaEr48 (talk) 09:25, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 10[edit]


Campanino apples (National Fruit Collection, UK)
Campanino apples (National Fruit Collection, UK)
  • ... that Campanino apples (pictured) have high content of antioxidants (up to 4 times more than Golden Delicious apples), high content of pectin and polyphenols, as well as ascorbic acid (vitamin C)? Source: E. Cocci; G. Sacchetti; M. Carboni; G.G. Pinnavaia; D. Mastrocola (2003). "Caratterizzazione e valorizzazione tecnologica di antiche varietà di melo dell'Emilia Romagna: studio sulle proprietà funzionali di trasformati in purea". Rivista di Frutticoltura (3): 69-72. , cited here
    • ALT1:...that Campanino apples can be easily preserved for six months after harvesting, without any use of refrigeration? Source: Agriculture department of Regione Emilia-Romagna; Sacchetti G.; Cocci E.; Pinnavaia G.G.; Mastrocola D.; Dalla Rosa M. (2008). "Influence of processing and storage on the activity of apple derivates". International Journal of Food Science and Technology (43): 797-804. , cited here
    • ATL2: ...that Campanino apples can be easily preserved for six months after harvesting, since their flesh is hard like marble? Source: "Mela campanina di Modena". Tradizioni e sapori di Modena (in Italian). Camera di Commercio di Modena. 

Created by Holapaco77 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:02, 11 May 2018 (UTC).


Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - The first hook seems too technical to be easily verifiable from an Italian language source. ALT1 is better but the source seems to indicate that the apples were preserved using natural cold and frost. That might not be easy and is arguably a natural form of refrigeration. I suggest focussing on the fact that the frost makes them taste better.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Andrew D. (talk) 21:06, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

  • @Holapaco77: Hello, it has been almost two months since the last comments in this nomination, and some paragraphs are still unsourced. Please source them as soon as possible so that this nomination can proceed. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:45, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
@Andrew Davidson:@Narutolovehinata5:  Done, all paragraph have citations now. Thanks you. --Holapaco77 (talk) 11:57, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Noted. While I'm almost ready to approve this, Andrew has some suggestions for the hook and it might be needed to take them into account. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Ok, actually the area of origin of this apple is Modena, Italy, where there is a humid mediterranean climate (see: Modena#Climate), so there is not any "natural cold" in this area. Campanino apple lasts so long (120-180 days, instead of 60-90 days of "normal" average apples) because the flesh is very hard (they say "like the marble") and the harvesting is in middle october, while normal apples are harvested in september. Anyway, the hook can be changed as "...that Campanino apples can be easily preserved for six months after harvesting, since their flesh is hard like marble?" (or something like that). --Holapaco77 (talk) 21:03, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Mimi Mondal

  • Reviewed: QPQ To Come Alfred Eteson
  • Comment: Both hooks are supported by several other sources already cited in the article

Created by Draken122 (talk), DESiegel (talk), TheOneWorkingAccount (talk), and Ymblanter (talk). Nominated by DESiegel (talk) at 09:02, 17 May 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. ALT0 is more hooky IMO; hook ref verified and cited inline. QPQ done. ALT0 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:32, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Still waiting on a QPQ. Yoninah (talk) 20:36, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Nope. QPQ done. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:05, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hello, I came by to promote this, but I have some questions about the article. First: is her date of birth or at least year of birth unknown? Secondly, the "Bibliography" section completely lacks references. Perhaps each work could be individually cited, or a general citation listing all her works could be added here? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:42, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Hello, Narutolovehinata5. She does not list a year of birth in the biography section of her own web site, nor in her online resume. None of the cited sources list one, nor did any source I found, and I looked for one. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 12:59, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Bibliographies are generally self-citing,and do not need footnotes, as a published work is a valid source about itself, if proper bibliographic info has been listed. However I see the info about several of the works is incomplete. I will attempt to fill it out and/or provide additional souring, and ping you when I have done so. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 12:59, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
  • @DESiegel: It has been almost a month since your last updates to the article, have there been any updates since then? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:14, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 14[edit]

Articles created/expanded on May 18[edit]

Railway surgery

  • ... that some railway surgeons opposed the introduction of first aid kits on trains maintaining that only doctors should carry out this work? Source: Aldrich (2001), pp. 286-287

Moved to mainspace by Spinningspark (talk). Self-nominated at 21:30, 18 May 2018 (UTC).

  • reviewing, long enough, interesting, well written Whispyhistory (talk) 05:19, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
  • General eligiblity:

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Really a very well written, thorough article. copyvio ok. Pleasure to read. Sampled some references, most I do not have access to, but appear very well thought out. Did you want links to general practitioner (links to modern version) or physician? AGF on most references. Everything is cited. The hook is correct but should it be in the article? Article says "There was some opposition to first aid through fear that it eroded the professional status of doctors and that local contract railway surgeons would lose the fees they would otherwise have accrued for the work". In addition, a hook centred around the attempt to remove an accidentally appointed female railway surgeon might be considered. Whispyhistory (talk) 04:57, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure I entirely understand why you think that the hook is not cited. Do you think that the article does not say that doctors should be rendering first aid rather than other railway workers? I would maintain that that is what the article says through the device of enumerating the reasons that railway surgeons argued this. In any case, the source cited is perfectly clear on this:

Yet if some railway physicians embraced first aid, to many others it was anathema. In the discussion of a paper by Dickson presented to the Association of Railway Surgeons in 1902, W. B. Outten of the Missouri Pacific claimed that “it is very difficult to teach these ignorant men very much about rendering First Aid as it ought to be rendered.” Yet the real complaint of those who opposed first aid training was not that the men were uneducable, but just the reverse: that rather than becoming an extension of the surgeon, as Jonas saw them, they would be a substitute. Thus, Outten went on to claim that “those who have no hospital department in connection with their railroads are naturally friends of first aid.” Another physician, Dr. James H. Ford, worried that “we should not permit them to have the idea enter their heads that they are to displace the local surgeons.” Dr. W. A. McCandless also worried about economics: “I believe much of the work entrusted to railway employees in rendering First Aid should be assigned to physicians. They are poor and they need the money for rendering such service,” he candidly observed.

— Aldrich, 2001
I don't think that general practitioner or physician should be linked. The doctors they had especially in mind were other railway surgeons or local doctors under contract fulfilling the duties of railway surgeon. On Sofie Herzog, I think the first aid issue is more directly relevant to the article and is thus a better hook. Although her case is astonishing to modern sensibilities, I rather think the company would have reacted in exactly the same way on discovering a female train driver had been appointed. The fact that the post was for railway surgeon is almost incidental. But put that article up for GA if you like and get it in DYK that way. As far as I can tell, it's never been to DYK before. SpinningSpark 14:29, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Ok to hook wording. Will let you decide about your GP links. The hook fact in the article still needs an inline citation at the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact. Citations at the end of the paragraph are not sufficient. Whispyhistory (talk) 17:31, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Oh good grief, I thought we were supposed to be WP:NOTBUREAUCRACY. The cite is a dozen words away and those twelve words are still talking about first aid kits. Maybe I'll do it in a couple of weeks time if I happen to be overcome with the urge to do something utterly pointless. SpinningSpark 17:55, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
  • @Spinningspark: IMO What Whispyhistory asked is a simple and reasonable request in good faith. Please just address it without snarky comments. HaEr48 (talk) 22:14, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
  • @HaEr48: What you are all forgetting is the actual purpose of that rule. It is there so that reviewers do not have to trawl through the refs to find the cite, they can go straight there and verify the fact. There is little doubt what the relevant cite is in this instance, but in any case, I went to the trouble of transcribing a lengthy passage from the ref so the need is now moot (and it's behind a paywall anyway so you can't verify it directly). That took some effort on my part, but I did it with good grace and without any "snarky comments". So sorry if I have now run out of good grace, but I have a long list of articles to write and I'd rather be doing that than servicing useless bureaucracy. You can wait your turn – I'm a volunteer, I'll do it when I feel like it, if ever. SpinningSpark 23:29, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Symbol question.svg Query: there may be a QPQ issue. Template:Did you know nominations/Workplace robotics safety has already been claimed by Old School WWC Fan for Anarchism in Puerto Rico. It looks like OSWF did the full review. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:17, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

My review was a full review of all DYK requirements and I clearly stated that I thought all requirements had been met. @BlueMoonset: can we have a ruling on whether or not second reviews are valid for QPQ? I will happily do another QPQ review if that is what is required. SpinningSpark 10:54, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Spinningspark, Reidgreg, since the nomination had been pulled back from prep, a new review was clearly in order and should be credited. It is always possible for one nomination to end up having more than one review getting QPQ credit in any number of circumstances; for example, the initial complete review may uncover significant issues with the nomination, and if the reviewer also suggests an alternate hook, they cannot review the nomination further since someone else must check the newly proposed hook (and also that the issues raised earlier have been addressed). BlueMoonset (talk) 03:59, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 24[edit]

Duck netting

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 22:13, 24 May 2018 (UTC).

  • reviewing, new article, interesting, earwig's copyvio 2%, long enough >1800 characters, will complete soon Whispyhistory (talk) 03:10, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
  • General eligiblity:

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Glad to see ducks are free at end. I trust isbn/dates of reference will be double-checked. Thanks. Nice article. Whispyhistory (talk) 14:40, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have pulled this because I couldn't confirm the hook. The supplied source makes no mention of the claim that the sport "may be unique to the Imperial House of Japan". Gatoclass (talk) 15:45, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
I apologize for this inconvenience and error on my part, Gatoclass. I nominated this mid-writing and never got back around to finishing off the references, which was my oversight. I've updated the article and also copied the citation and refs here as they appear in it. Chetsford (talk) 07:45, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
In modern times, it is believed to be peculiar to Japan generally, and to the Imperial Household specifically.[1][2][3][4]


  1. ^ We Japanese. Routledge. 2002. p. 88. ISBN 978-0-7103-0719-4. The netting of ducks, a pastime in the olden days of the Tokugawa shoguns, is believed to be peculiar to Japan. 
  2. ^ "Duck Netting in Japan". Daily Racing Form. March 25, 1920. Retrieved June 9, 2018. This has been a pastime of Emperors for ages and, as far as known, is confined to imperial domains. 
  3. ^ Zakarian, Zabelle (2016). Medic: The Mission of an American Military Doctor in Occupied Japan and Wartorn Korea. Routledge. ISBN 1315503719. I have hunted duck in a number of parts of the world, but the method of hunting ducks in Japan, besides the unique imperial pastime of duck netting, was also unique so far as I was concerned. 
  4. ^ Vernaci, Richard L. (2010). Within the System: My Half Century in Social Security. ACTEX. p. 167. ISBN 1566987660. Duck netting was not a popular sport and it's easy to see why the Japanese have since taken up baseball and golf. 

Clifford Braimah

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self-nominated at 10:26, 24 May 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article meets the newness and length requirements, is free from plagiarism, and the article and hooks are adequately sourced. QPQ provided. However, I'm concerned about Braimah's notability: I made a search and from what I can tell, coverage about him appeared to either be routine coverage or more about Ghana Water itself than him. As such, I'm not sure if the coverage specifically about him that does exist is enough to meet the notability guidelines. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:09, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5 For anyone who is interested. — Maile (talk) 12:33, 13 June 2018 (UTC) Find sources: "Clifford Braimah" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · HighBeam · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · The Wikipedia Library · NYT · WP reference
Narutolovehinata5 and Maile66 Thanks for your reviews. I will leave the dyk above and its concerns to be addressed by other editors. CrossTempleJay 10:25, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 30[edit]

Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan

Damage to the painting in 1913
Damage to the painting in 1913

Created by Violetriga (talk). Self-nominated at 20:46, 30 May 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg The article was nominated the day it was created. It is long enough and well-sourced. It does not seem to be biased. The hook is concise, precise and interesting. QPQ done. It seems ready to go! I would appreciate if the article could be further expanded, however, as the topic is very interesting. Surtsicna (talk) 13:10, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
2018 vandalism damage
And there is plenty of source materiel in the very good articles on the painting in (inter alia) the Russian and French Wikipedias. Including, as an alternative image, this photo of the 2018 damage. (talk) 11:30, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 1[edit]

Shadwell forgeries

  • ... that the Shadwell forgeries, crude 19th-century fake medieval artifacts, are also known as Billy and Charleys, after the two London mudlarks who made many thousands of them?
    • ALT1:... that the Shadwell forgeries, crude 19th-century fake medieval artifacts, are now sought-after collectibles in their own right? Source: They produced several thousand pieces in all, and their work is now quite sought after. As evidence of the extent to which a vision of the Middle Ages had penetrated popular culture, as a concrete realisation of that vision and as enduring proof of the gullibility of even the greatest scholars, they are unrivalled. British Museum
    • ALT2:... that leading Victorian antiquarians were fooled by the Shadwell forgeries - fake medieval artifacts made by two illiterate London mudlarks? Source: However this collection is part of something much bigger, a clever forgery, conjured up by two illiterate mudlarks called William (Billy) Smith and Charles (Charley) Eaton, which fooled some of the most important historians and antiquarians in Victorian England.Hull Museums Collections

Created by Catsmeat (talk). Self-nominated at 15:52, 1 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg At first glance, the article seems to be of suitable quality. Unfortunately, it does not meet the first criterium: it does not count as new. It was created in 2012 and has been neither expanded five times or promoted to GA in the 7 days preceding the nomination. My suggestion to Catsmeat is to bring the article to GA status. Then it will qualify for DYK. Surtsicna (talk) 14:42, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
@Surtsicna: Article was moved into main space on May 31 [5], and meets the first criterium. -Zanhe (talk) 01:36, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh, this is embarrassing. I will give it a proper review then. Thanks for pointing it out. Surtsicna (talk) 07:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The article is long enough and it does meet the newness criterium after all. I prefer ALT1, and it is properly sourced, concise and precise. I am, however, concerned by the fact that several paragraphs are not fully sourced. One paragraph does not contain any citation, which is clearly against the rules. Can this be addressed? Surtsicna (talk) 08:01, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • @Catsmeat: Any updates? It has been a month since the initial review, and the issues have not yet been addressed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:00, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg The nominator has not edited the article since June 6, and despite currently being actively editing, has not responded to any of the comments in this nomination. Despite multiple pings and talkback messages, there has been no response from the nominator regarding the sourcing issues. As such, this nomination is now marked for closure as stale, unless the nominator responds here within the next few days. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:12, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
My apologies; you have already been extremely patient with me. But I just found myself both procrastinating and getting wrapped up in other things. I'll do my best to get the issues resolved in the next 48 hours. If they've not then been dealt with to general satisfaction, then I'll accept the closure of the nomination. Catsmeat (talk) 19:29, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Mining in Sweden

Created/expanded by Newroderick895 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:01, 10 June 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 2[edit]

Spygate (conspiracy theory)

  • ... that Spygate, a conspiracy theory developed and popularized by the United States president Donald Trump, appears to have no basis in fact? Source: [6][7][8]

Created/expanded by Starship.paint (talk) [9] and A loose noose (talk) [10]. Self-nominated at 02:14, 2 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg A full review may follow, but at the moment, I think the hook is too sensitive due to the political claims in it (this is both due to WP:BLP as well as the discretionary sanctions on US politics-related articles). Alternate hooks may need to be proposed here. @Starship.paint and A loose noose: Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:39, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

How about maybe this one? (a bit more neutral in its wording):

  • ...that the Spygate conspiracy theory holds that the Barrack Obama administration planted a spy inside Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign in order to assist Trump's political rival Hillary Clinton win the 2016 US presidential election?

(Anyone who clicks on the article link can read for themselves about how true or false the theory is.) A loose noose (talk) 16:43, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

That's way above the 200 character limit. Please try to make it shorter. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:19, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

I like it! (@Narutolovehinata5: Are there any steps that need to be taken to "re-initiate" this process, or is it still considered to be active at this point?) A loose noose (talk) 18:22, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Just wait, reviewers can get busy. It's considered active unless weeks have passed without replies from either the nominator or the reviewer (the previous reply here was just two days ago). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:22, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg With that said, conspiracy theories by their nature are usually publicly denied, so I'm not sure about ALT2. As this is a hook about a sensitive topic (US politics), I'm requesting a second review for hook appropriateness. As for the article itself, it meets all the technical requirements (newness, length, sourcing, hook verification, QPQ), but the topic itself needs more eyes here, and I admit that it might be tricky to formulate an appropriate hook here: suggestions from other editors are appreciated as well. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:22, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 5[edit]

Sega Technical Institute

  • Comment: Article created from redirect on February 19, 2018 and promoted to GA on June 5. First DYK nomination for author.

Improved to Good Article status by Red Phoenix (talk). Self-nominated at 21:15, 5 June 2018 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - The sentence in the article that states the fact is uncited. I suggest adding the Retro Gamer article as a reference.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg See above. I prefer the original hook. Philroc (c) 23:16, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@Philroc: Cited. Had not been cited before because I felt it was redundant, but inserted for the sake of DYK now. Red Phoenix talk 01:32, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@Red Phoenix: Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. Philroc (c) 11:36, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I don't like this suggested hook, personally. It just feels full of WP:EASTEREGG, and I don't think a hook should be full of Easter eggs - that just feels cheap. I really don't see what was wrong with the one selected; it's a common misconception that all of the Sonic games were developed in Japan by Sonic Team, when that isn't the case, and it's STI's most interesting fact. I mean, you guys tell me what's wrong with it since I've never had a DYK before, but I would find it an interesting hook. I seriously doubt anyone not interested in video games would click it either way. Red Phoenix talk 00:39, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


ALT2: ... that Mark Cerny's aim in establishing Sega Technical Institute was to create an elite game studio that would combine American and Japanese influences? Source: Day, Ashley (2007). "Company Profile: Sega Technical Institute". Retro Gamer. No. 36. Imagine Publishing. pp. 28–33. Philroc (c) 17:16, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Not bad, but it still feels more bland to me than ALT1. As it pertains to The Rambling Man's suggestion, I can fix the articles with issues if needed since my research has turned up some things about both games, but my opinion remains on the subject of it as a hook and what's "hooky". Red Phoenix talk 22:11, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 6[edit]

Grace Macurdy

Grace Macurdy in her classroom
Grace Macurdy in her classroom
  • ... that Grace Macurdy (pictured) was already losing her hearing when she became chair of Greek at Vassar in 1920, and she continued to teach, research, and travel until retirement in 1937 despite her deafness?

Improved to Good Article status by KateCook (talk). Nominated by Claire 75 (talk) at 12:55, 6 June 2018 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting life, good article on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed, but doesn't show anything in small size, - can it be cut? - The hook is ok, but doesn't say anything about her themes of research, so could be said about many persons in the condition, no? I took the liberty to link Vassar. - Suggestions for the article: Find a way to not repeat a book title, if you have several references to different pages. I use Harvard refs, but you can achieve it with named references as well. "bought into conflict"? "bought her into conflict"? "bought conflict"? I find the lead extremely short for a GA, can you summarize a bit? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:51, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the crop, Froggerlaura, that's much better! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Kate. Claire, are you interested in improving? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:08, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 7[edit]

Hilmar Hoffmann

Hilmar Hoffmann in 1989
Hilmar Hoffmann in 1989
  • Reviewed: Haruka Tomatsu
  • Comment: RIP. Speedy processing would be nice.

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:40, 7 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article has been expanded enough, recently enough; is long enough; the hook is sufficiently sourced and the article as a whole is sourced (though they are not plentiful). However, the latter half of the Legacy section needs a citation and this in particular talks of Museumsufer, though is not the first mention of it. Also, the Awards section is entirely unsourced. -Lopifalko (talk) 07:06, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
I restored the missing ref, and found a ref for all awards (and some more), however not with the years. I hope to find those as well, and will add more awards. - Lopifalko, thank you for the review, and fixing my typo! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. Lopifalko (talk) 09:37, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

From there, to avoid having to go back and forth:
ALT3: ... that cultural politician Hilmar Hoffmann (pictured) initiated the Museumsufer, including the Jewish Museum Frankfurt? - I'd like to include "Kultur for alle" or "begnadeter Bettler", but the latter is hard to translate, "gifted" and "talented" are just to small, "blessed with the talent" is too long ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
ALT4: that politician Hilmar Hoffmann (pictured) initiated the Museumsufer, thus being credited as making Frankfurt a city of culture, not just commerce? (by Yoninah)
new: ALT5 ... that Hilmar Hoffmann (pictured) demanded "culture for all" and initiated the Museumsufer in Frankfurt? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:45, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Fine with me, although "complex" may suggest togetherness more than there is, - with a river in between ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
  • @Gerda Arendt: I know that, but "landscape of museums" is obscure. Glad you like the hook.
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed for ALT6. Pinging @Lopifalko: Yoninah (talk) 23:17, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 8[edit]

Effects of Hurricane Irma in the British Virgin Islands

Created by Legis (talk). Self-nominated at 19:32, 8 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is new enough and long enough. There are a lot of sourcing problems:
  • Source needed for the islands that Irma made landfall/direct hit on.
  • Not seeing how source #6 supports the article content.
  • The paragraph about Anegada needs a source.
  • Same for the one that describes the timecourse of Irma's transit.
  • I am not sure that all of the content of the "in the aftermath" paragraph is supported by the source.
  • #19 does not explicitly link the death rate to Irma.
  • I am dubious that LinkedIn is a good source for anything.
  • "None of the banks" paragraph needs a source.
  • "assisted the pressure on providing emergency accommodation" is an odd wording.
  • The number of 150 released prisoners is not supported by the source, and neither is the claim of a deliberate release.
  • "Prisoners were instructed to return to the prison at a later date. Perhaps unsurprisingly, not all of them did so. Although exact numbers were never provided, the authorities indicated that a number of the prisoners surrendered themselves voluntarily after checking on their families." also does not seem to be sourced and "Perhaps unsurprisingly" sounds like editorializing.
  • Last sentence of that paragraph needs a source as does "Accordingly, the relief and recovery efforts had to be coordinated from a conference room in Peebles Hospital.".
  • I am not sure if the Express is a good source for any looting related claim, and the source for the preceding sentence says nothing about what was being looted.
  • "Subsequent weather events" paragraph needs sources.
  • Sources #34 and #36 which are the same need to clarify where the info is found.
  • #37 says nothing about the premier.
  • "or approximately 5% of the population" and the last sentence of that paragraph needs a source.
  • The whole curfew paragraph needs more sourcing, as the only source proffered seems to only cover part of the information.
  • Source #41 does not support some of the numbers.
  • Source #43 does not support all the claims.
  • Source #50 appears to be circular.
  • Source #52 does not support the content, it seems like it is synthesis.
No copyvio or plagiarism that I can see. Hook #2 is more interesting but it needs a better source. Images OK. No QPQ needed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:12, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus. All very useful and constructive. Being realistic, I am not going to have time to address all of those issues in anything kind of short to medium term timeframe. A lot of the sourcing issues arise because I started with recording key recollections from my own experiences, and then worked backwards to find sources to back-fill. But in terms of the DYK nomination, again - being realistic - I think it is probably just easier to scratch this one and push on with nominations from better sourced articles. Thanks. --Legis (talk - contribs) 12:11, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Jo-Jo Eumerus: it has been one month since the last comments on this nomination. The nominator seemed to indicate that he wanted to withdraw it. A different editor has made some edits to the page since then. Have your sourcing concerns been addressed? If not, I will close this nomination as unsuccessful. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 9[edit]

Articles created/expanded on June 10[edit]

Jack Kirby

Jack Kirby by Susan Skaar
Jack Kirby by Susan Skaar
  • ... that Jack Kirby (pictured) created comic book characters including Captain America, the Avengers and the Black Panther? Source: " Punching Nazis was A-OK with the King – and 70 years on, critics of the alt-right have found powerful allies in Cap and his Jewish co-creator", "Kirby’s comics became superhero showcases, introducing a veritable who’s-who of characters on cinema screens today: Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, Ant-Man, the collective Avengers, Silver Surfer and the X-Men" ([14] "Created in 1966 by Lee and Kirby, Black Panther was revolutionary as the first African superhero in mainstream comics. Considered by Kirby as one of his most important creations for its message, T'Challa (Black Panther) was a black man with brawn, brains, wealth and advanced technology introduced in the middle of the civil rights movement." [15]

Improved to Good Article status by Tenebrae (talk) and Hiding (talk). Nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk) at 03:29, 10 June 2018 (UTC).


Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - Too unsurprising and so does not do the subject justice
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg The article was very readable – well done! But the hook needs more of that pizzazz. I suggest ALT1, which follows. Andrew D. (talk) 21:04, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

  • ALT1 ... that Jack Kirby (pictured) created many famous comic book characters, such as the Avengers, but his conception of Spider-Man was rejected for being too heroic?
    @Tenebrae and Hiding: Could somebody have a look at re-phrasing to remove the close paraphrase? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:20, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
    • @Hawkeye7: um, you guys are aware they appear to have copied our article. They have a published date of 12 Feb 2012. Our article as at 13 November 2011. [16] Why would we need to change our article, shouldn't we be reporting them? Hiding T 09:52, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
      @Hiding: That's a good point. I checked the source used for the WW2 details (Ronin Ro) and this checks out as the actual origin and was written in 2004. Some tweaks to our account might be needed but they are no big deal. I reckon that we just need to agree a hook now. Andrew D. (talk) 12:21, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
      My sincerest apologies Hiding. I have seen this happen before. I have been busy and didn't check. I have another hook suggestion, combining the two:
  • ALT3: ... that Jack Kirby (pictured) created comic book characters including Captain America, the Avengers and the Black Panther, but his conception of Spider-Man was rejected for being too heroic?
    I doubt if comic book fans could readily agree what Kirby is most renowned for, but I figured that the Avengers and the Black Panther would be best known to the rest in the wake of the recent blockbuster movies. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:25, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment Don't have a concrete proposal for fixing it, but the selection of characters reeks of WP:RECENT and is not even entirely accurate. The choice of Black Panther is problematic, since before 2018 the character was more obscure than Iron Man was before 2008, still now is likely nowhere near as well-known as the latter, and while Kirby's role in the creation of Iron Man may be debatable, this is not the case with several other, arguably more long-term notable, characters like the Fantastic Four, who are not included. Furthermore, "the Avengers" is not a closed group of characters, and as of 2018 the characters most-associated with the name by the majority of our readers are probably the roster from the 2012 film, of whom the creation of two (Black Widow and Hawkeye) have nothing to do with Kirby but more with Don Heck, a third (Iron Man, definitely the best-known) is dubious as mentioned above, and a fourth (Captain America) is redundant as written. These problems probably need to be addressed because, precisely as a result of the recent success of films based on his work, Kirby himself has become an important topic of cultural history, and so accurate and due representation of his work, not cherry-picked based on what works were adapted into excellent and important films but which Kirby himself probably never regarded as anything more than day-to-day pay-check work, is important. Hijiri 88 (やや) 12:58, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
    There is no doubt that Kirby would regard Captain America as his greatest creation. It was his first major success, and sold a million copies a month for a time. As did the Boy Commandos, but they are not so well known today. He was very proud of the Black Panther, and returned to the character in the 1970s. Whereas the Fantastic Four was very influential in setting off Marvel's revival in the Silver Age, but was cancelled in 2015, and I don't know how well it is known today. I hadn't considered the Avengers roster in the movies; I was thinking of the original Avengers in the comic books. He created the team, and is always credited as its co-creator, and co-created all the characters in the original line up including Iron Man, and he drew the first eight issues before handing over to Don Heck. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:48, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
@Hawkeye7: There is no doubt that Kirby would regard Captain America as his greatest creation. I know that -- that's why if you read my comment carefully, Cap is the only one whose inclusion I didn't question -- I just said it was redundant with "the Avengers" if we are going by characters who are well known to the general non-comics-reading public in 2018. and co-created all the characters in the original line up including Iron Man Your mentioning Iron Man here highlights the problem -- why is he not listed, when he's probably more famous now than the entire rest of the original Avengers roster plus Black Panther combined? Yes, his role in the creation of Iron Man is more "dubious" than most others (he probably did little more than design the original in-costumed look of the character, which has hardly ever been used since except as a kind of rough preliminary costume designed by Stark while in captivity and quickly replaced after he escaped, as in the 2008 film), but even with Captain America and Black Panther he wasn't the sole creator of those characters (for whom credit is also conventionally given to Simon and Lee, respectively). As for I hadn't considered the Avengers roster in the movies; I was thinking of the original Avengers in the comic books and He was very proud of the Black Panther, and returned to the character in the 1970s, those contradict your explanation for not including the Fantastic Four, which is that they may not be as well-known today (relative to other characters) as they were when Kirby was still alive, which is due primarily to the very recent IP dispute between Fox and Disney-Marvel, with the former pumping out relatively cheap, underwhelming and severely undermarketed films for the sole purpose of keeping the rights from automatically reverting to the latter, and the latter deliberately cancelling the book so as not to promote a rival studio's films. Anyway, if the purpose of this DYK is to highlight our Jack Kirby article, and Kirby himself was really more associated with BP than FF, the latter would not be named 19 times in the article (excluding refs) while the former is only named three times. Hijiri 88 (やや) 00:18, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
BTW: The source's Kirby’s comics became superhero showcases, introducing a veritable who’s-who of characters on cinema screens today: Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, Ant-Man, the collective Avengers, Silver Surfer and the X-Men is actually totally wrong: Kirby was involved with the original X-Men, which was never popular and has little to do with the reason the characters are popular in film and television now (different roster, and he had apparently nothing to do with the creation of either Wolverine or Deadpool), Silver Surfer is not a popular film character, and claiming he created "the collective Avengers" is both redundant with the claim that he created Hulk, Thor, Iron Man and Ant-Man and not accurate if one considers "the collective Avengers" to be the ones who constitute "who’s-who of characters on cinema screens today" (the four named characters were clearly selected based on a cross-section of the "canon" Avengers roster in the films with the original Avengers from issue #1 in the comics), and the "Ant-Man" he created is not the one who is a popular film character today, having only appeared in one major motion picture released to date. Hijiri 88 (やや) 00:26, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 11[edit]

Serge Blanc (violinist)

Created by LouisAlain (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:43, 18 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Hmmm... little did I know "someone" noticed that article. Thanks Gerda, LouisAlain (talk) 18:52, 18 June 2018 (UTC) -->
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is new and has enough length. QPQ check is also done. However, there are several issues which need to be addressed before taking it to DYK. There are issues with Plagiarism, NPOV and referencing.
  • Copyvio check shows 48% confidence, and violation is possible.
  • The sentence about the subject's death is unreferenced.
  • The lead needs significant expansion considering the article's body.
  • One of the citation has a bare URL.
  • NPOV issues; "exceptional age", stress on the subject's age at various points of achievements may be avoided – this seems to be pushing the point of view about the subject's achievements.
  • Most of the article is only about the subject's achievements, there is no info about his life, and any criticism.
  • I would also suggest adding an infobox.
Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 06:59, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the review. I am only the nominator, but will do what I can, but have several things on my to-do-list before I can turn to him. I noticed that a different site had translated the same French to English, but to my knowledge LouisAlain didn't even know that. No surprise they often arrived at similar wording. For many of thesee historic musicians, we don't know much about personal life and reception, and they are remembered for their achievements. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Yes, I understand. If you'd like me to hold the nomination for some time, I'll be happy to do it. Let me know. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 16:20, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your patience. Instead of working on this (and another one waiting, and writing the article I had planned for today), I faced a load of tags for a BLP I watch, and another load for an article featured on the Main page, sigh. Also had to nominate a venerated woman for DYK today or never, which I managed to do, but the article is not yet in the shape I want it to be. Tomorrow will be busy RL, so it will be later today or on Thursday (unless we have new problems). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Hopefully tomorrow, - at least I managed adding refs for another nom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Making progress: ibox, more lead, more trimming, no bare url seen anymore. Will look for cite for death, must be somewhere. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:03, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
More tricky than I thought: while several sources have him still living, his website and IMSLP have the date. What should we do, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 13[edit]


Speaker iconFragment of a popular gosos

Created by Dk1919 Franking (talk) and Sam Sailor (talk). Nominated by Sam Sailor (talk) at 12:48, 15 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Interesting subject, on good sources, offline and Italian sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. The hook is nothing spectacular, sorry. How about something about the many bans? - I would love more lead, answering some questions still open after reading: Are these songs still sung today (and if yes when, where, by whom), or just history? Where does drama come in? - I confess that I find (any) sound examples unattractive, even if licensed. - I understand gosos s a plural term, so would you say a gosos? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:23, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your always positive feedback, Gerda Arendt.
    The ultimate question you ask in regards to the word's use in English is best answered by looking at anglophone sources, of which there aren't a whole lot, but the this thesis by Kathleen Boyle uses a gosos, i.e. plurale tantum. In Catalan and Castilian singular forms exist. In Italian, the singular form would appear not to be in use, whereas this paper and this paper both use un gosos, i.e. plurale tantum. Perhaps Dk1919 Franking can comment on the use in Italian?
    I will expand the lead and get back here with an alternative hook; and your suggestions to an ALT would be warmly welcomed, needless to say. Sam Sailor 11:34, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, helped. - I can give you directions for a hook, but if I word one, we need another reviewer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:45, 26 June 2018 (UTC)


  • ... that in ancient Indian stories, a person "can bend the cosmic forces to his will" through an "act of truth"? Source: "The idea that one can bend cosmic forces to his will by performing his personal function (vrata, RV 9.112) with perfection seems to be as old as the Rig Veda." (Brown 1968, p.173)
    • ALT1: ...that in an ancient Buddhist story, a prostitute performed a miraculous "act of truth", by the power of her truthfulness? Source: "Now there stood on that very river bank a courtezan named Bindumati, and, when she heard the king's question, she said, 'As for me, I am a courtezan in the city of Pataliputta. I live by my beauty ; my means of subsistence is the lowest. Let the king but behold my Act of Truth.' And she performed an Act of Truth. The instant she performed her Act of Truth that mighty Ganges flowed back upstream with a roar, in the sight of all that mighty throng. ... 'By what power have you caused this mighty Ganges to flow back upstream ?' Said the courtezan, 'By the Power of Truth, your Majesty, have I caused this mighty Ganges to flow back upstream'" (Burlingame 1917, pp.439–40); Source: "When Bindumati, a prostitute, heard that King Asoka wished the river Ganges to flow upstream, she performed an Act of Truth (saccakiriyā). ... The king then asked, "What is that Act of Truth (saccakiriyā)? Please tell me! " Bindumati replied, 'O king! Whoever gives me money, be he a Khattiya, or a Brahmana or a Vessa or a Sudda, I treat them all alike.'" (Kong 2006, pp.103–4)

Improved to Good Article status by Farang Rak Tham (talk) and Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk). Nominated by Farang Rak Tham (talk) at 07:50, 13 June 2018 (UTC).

  • I like the first hook. For the second, I'd suggest a rewording:
  • ALT2: ...that in an ancient Buddhist story, a prostitute described her profession and caused the Ganges to flow upstream in a miraculous "act of truth"?
  • Here's another possible hook:
  • ALT3: ...that the words Buddhist devotees say when offering flowers to a Buddha statue are not a prayer, but an aspirational "act of truth"? Source: quoted on the page: "Though the verse of offering flowers is recited in front of an image of the Buddha, it is not a prayer to the Buddha. Rather, it is an aspiration that is uttered on the basis of the belief in the power of truth utterance." Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:54, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I have taken the liberty to renumber the alt hooks to prevent confusion. Alt 3 looks good to me, it is a good catch--interesting and sourced. In Alt 2, ... described her profession ... may not be specific enough, and raise questions.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 07:50, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Independent review of ALT2 and ALT3 needed, because these hooks were proposed by reviewer herself. Rachel Helps (BYU), would you like to change anything before a third person reviews your hooks?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 18:16, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I should have clarified; I did the GA review so I'm not sure if I could review the nomination but I wanted to offer some more hook ideas. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:00, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Rachel Helps (BYU), you can, that's no problem. But since you have been the one proposing additional (interesting) hooks, those hooks need to reviewed by a third editor. What do you think of my comments?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 20:47, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Sorry User:Farang Rak Tham, I didn't read closely enough to write a useful reply. So with ALT2, I was trying to make your ALT1 more specific and remove the "truth.. truthfulness" repetition. Can you think of a better way to word it? Or we can strike it through and go with one of the others. I'm just not sure how to reword "described her profession." Here's a different way to say it (I added the fact from the source you quoted to the page).:
  • ALT4: ...that in an ancient Buddhist story, prostitute Bindumati said that she lived by her beauty, performing an "act of truth" which caused the Ganges to flow upstream? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 00:58, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Lived by her beauty doesn't really seem to be the point of the story. Anyway, i think we have sufficient hooks now, and can move on once we have an independent final review.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 07:09, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Note to other reviewers: The main hook has already been approved. ALT3 and ALT4 have been proposed by the first reviewer, but have not yet been reviewed by a second reviewer. Personally, I approve of ALT3, but not of ALT4.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:19, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 14[edit]

Hassan Tampuli

* ... that prior to heading the National Petroleum Authority, Hassan Tampuli once secured the release of a Lebanese-Ghanaian journalist from wrongful detention? Source: [18] and [19] Comment

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self-nominated at 13:36, 14 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Doing...-Nizil (talk) 12:53, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
  • @Crosstemplejay:First, thank you for contributing to Wikipedia and taking interest in DYK. Your article is New, long enough and QPQ done. Few questions and issues: Why article is named Hassan when references states Alhassan? Article also uses Alhassan in the lead. Use his official/most common name as title and add 'also known as' in the lead to avoid confusion. Hook needs a verifiable reference. Ghana Gardian reference only says that "Hassan Tampuli was a Lawyer for Ghanaian-Lebanese journalist and author Fadi Daboussi, and a known NPP loyalist who was invited by the BNI for a defamatory comment made about former President, John Mahama." which does not imply wrongful detention. You need to add precise reference stating it was wrongful detention. In article, you have provided details about the case but it uses the same reference and the other reference is just "Google search result" which can not used as a reference when we can locate the precise information. So please provide the reference in the article so hook can be verified. ALT1 hook should have a reference clearly saying what is said in the hook. So it also needs a new reference. Article has some complex lines like: "As a lawyer, Tampuli took on many cases in which people's fundamental human rights have been infringed upon." which can be simply written like "As a lawyer, Tampuli took on many cases of the human rights violations." This line is not neutral, "As head of NPA, he has been leading the crusade for proper regulation of the petroleum industry in Ghana". Simply write what he is doing at NPA as in the reference, not "leading crusade". Some words like "spent time", "embarked" can be substituted with simple words like "worked at", "took". Check for small grammatical errors. Article can be better divided in following sections: Early life and education, Career/Legal career/Political and administrative career. Link alma mater in the infobox. Everything else looks good. Please ping me after you have addressed these issues. Thank you again for contributing to Wikipedia. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 14:29, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: Thanks for the review. Very happy with the painstaking search you made. I have made major changes so please go through the article and let me know what you think. Thanks once again. CrossTempleJay 11:41, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg@Crosstemplejay:, thank you for improvements. I have also copyedited a little bit, changed section titles and removed repeated info on his education. Now article looks OK. Now suggest a new hook or change in hook with precise reference because suggested hooks are not clear from references you have provided. "Wrongful detention" is not mentioned in the reference you provided so reword appropriately. There is no other case of human right violation is mentioned and he was working in his capacity as a lawyer, I have to think about that label. Is there any source which mention him as a human rights activist? We can use it and make a new hook from ALT1. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 12:55, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: Thanks for your review. I dont know whether you have a problem with the word wrongful because according to the article holding someone in cells for more than 48 hours is indeed wrongful and unconstitutional anyway I will suggest a new hook below. Thanks. CrossTempleJay 11:19, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
* ALT2: ... that Hassan Tampuli prior to heading the National Petroleum Authority, once secured the release of a Lebanese-Ghanaian pilot and author from unconstitutional detention? Source: [22] and [23] Comment
@Crosstemplejay:, I don't have problem with word 'wrongful' or 'unconstitutional' but these words are not mentioned in any reference so I have asked for such references. Even one ref said that it was not politically motivated. So we should not judge it as wrongful if we do not have such reference. Please add references which says he worked for cases of human rights violations because only one case is mentioned and no refs mention him as human rights lawyer. ALT2 should drop nationality of author to make it shorter. I am suggesting a new one below. Regards, -Nizil (talk) 14:24, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: Thanks for your review. I have taken the bit about human rights activist out. I am cool with your ALT3 but I am modifying it a bit. Thanks once again. Now all that is left is for another review/reviewer. God bless.CrossTempleJay 13:09, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I am OK with your ALT3a. Now good to go. Thank you for solving out issues patiently and carefully. I appreciate your cooperation. Someone else should have a look and approval of hook. Regards, -Nizil (talk) 14:27, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 15[edit]

Telfair Hodgson

Telfair Hodgson
Telfair Hodgson

Created by Zigzig20s (talk). Self-nominated at 01:59, 17 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg The article is new enough and long enough. It is neutral, uses inline citations, and does not appear to violate copyright. The facts in the hook are cited, assuming good faith for the sources that require registration, and the QPQ is done. Gulumeemee (talk) 07:52, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Zigzig20s: Hello, I came to promote this, but the article is classified as a stub. Can this please be addressed? Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:39, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
It's now a start, isn't it? If it's good enough for DYK, surely it's a start.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:41, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
@Zigzig20s: Per the discussion at WT:DYK, it seems that among possible suggestions for a hook were that he served as a chaplain or a priest after the Civil War. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:37, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
  1. ALTBLURB1: ...that Telfair Hodgson was the co-founder of The Sewanee Review?Zigzig20s (talk) 09:03, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

He wasn't the co-founder according to the supplied source. Allow me to suggest a tweak:

  • ALT2: ... that Telfair Hodgson was the original financial backer and first managing editor of The Sewanee Review, the oldest continuously published literary quarterly in the United States?

- Please note that the relevant facts will have to be added to the article. Also, the reference to Hodgson in the supplied source needs to point to the appropriate page, not to the entire article. Gatoclass (talk) 00:29, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Done and done.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:43, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reviewer needed for ALT2 hook, including the new additions to the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:22, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Note: The Sewanee Review is tagged for COI. It probably should not be linked on the main page until that's cleared up. Yoninah (talk) 23:33, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
I don't see a COI in the edit history, do you? Shouldn't the tag be simply removed? The article is factual, could do with more RS but it is not the target article.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
It reads like a not-very-interesting resume. I suppose we could go with something like that if nobody can be bothered cleaning up the Sewanee Review article, but if so I'd like to see something a little more succinct. Gatoclass (talk) 23:16, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 16[edit]

Patliputra University

  • ... that ...Patliputra University was created by bifurcation of Magadh University? Source: "Patliputra University, carved out of Magadh University and headquartered in Patna, will have some of the best educational institutions in Patna under it." [24]
    • ALT1:... that ... over 150 professors applied for the post of vice–chancellor of Patliputra University? Source: "The Raj Bhavan’s advertisement for the posts of VC and pro-VC of the yet to be inaugurated Pataliputra University has elicited a very good response as 171 professors have so far applied for the twin jobs." [25]
  • Comment: QPQ is under process. Alternate hook suggestions are welcome.

Created by Ivecos (talk) and PratyushSinha101 (talk). Nominated by PratyushSinha101 (talk) at 10:10, 21 June 2018 (UTC).

  • @Narutolovehinata5: I thought bifurcation of university is unusual for rest of the world, or is it a common practice? Pratyush (talk) 15:00, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
It's relatively common, if not at least routine. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:00, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
ALT2:... that Patliputra University consists of more than 125 colleges including two engineering colleges, and a dozen pharmacy colleges? Source:[26]
@Narutolovehinata5:. Pratyush (talk) 16:42, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - ?
  • Other problems: Red XN - While the number of colleges (125) sounds I'm impressive, I'm not sure if this is particularly uncommon, especially with Indian universities.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The technical requirements are met, but a second review (ideally from someone with an interest in academics) is needed to check the hook interest for ALT2. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:29, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 17[edit]


5x expanded by Bermicourt (talk). Self-nominated at 09:33, 22 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Doing... review in progress... Flibirigit (talk) 03:21, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Review in progress. Flibirigit (talk) 04:02, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Will continue review and plagiarism check tomorrow morning. Several citation concerns have been noted above below. Flibirigit (talk) 04:02, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Citation concerns
  1. Section > Background – List of items with an unclear source.
  2. Section > Emergence and development – Several paragraphs without a citation.
  3. Section > Transition to modern Königrufen – No citations.
  4. Section > Development of the Birds – Fourth and fifth paragraphs without a citation.
  5. Section > Austria Final – No citations.
  6. Section > Prominent players – Fourth and fifth paragraphs without a citation.
  7. Section > Literary accounts – Direct quote is cited, but should use a citation template. No citation on third paragraph.
  8. Section > Terminology – No citations.
  9. Section > Cards – First paragraph without a citation.
  10. Section > Tarocks – Only one citation in four paragraphs.
  11. Section > Suit cards – No citations.
  12. Section > Basic rules – No citations.
  13. Section > Bonuses – Only one citation in nine paragraphs and two charts.
  14. Section > Games by groups – No citations.
  15. Section > Scoring – Only one citation in four paragraphs.
  16. Section > Breaches of the rules – No citations.
  17. Section > Game scoring – Only one citation. Unclear if it applies to the whole section.
  18. Section > Less common variants – Only one citation. Needs more references.

  • @Flibirigit:, thank you. Background is now fully referenced and I am working my way through Emergence and Development. More to come... Bermicourt (talk) 08:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for making progress on this. I will be away for the weekend, and may not respond quickly. Please don't feel a need to rush. Flibirigit (talk) 14:04, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I have checked for plagiarism and paraphrasing issues on the Earwig tool, and found no concerns. The tool does highlight several areas that are either attributed as exact quotes, book titles, or terminology in the rules of play, none of which violate copyright. Flibirigit (talk) 14:48, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Trump administration family separation policy

Children separated from family members detained in cages
Children separated from family members detained in cages
  • Comment: Note that there are a few other editors who've improved the article who maybe should be given DYK credit

Created/expanded by Carwil (talk), Pharos (talk), and Gandydancer (talk). Nominated by Volunteer Marek (talk) at 20:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg All other issues aside (overlap with news and "proposal to split" tags are the most stringent) this article strikes me like it makes absolutely no effort to be NPOV or even to step out of the bubble. It's like none of the editors even bothered finding commentary from authors on the other side, like they did not even glance at a news or commentary source that will not endorse the "Trump is a monster" meme -- it appears largely modeled on the usual spiel from CNN and Vox. This even though conservative commentators have explained their POV at length and have openly expressed criticism of exactly the issues presented as facts in the articles -- for instance here, here or here (there are also conservative critiques of Trump's policy, btw: here or here or here). Under "Support", what we get are reactions from surrogates and cherrypicked, partly misquoted through partisan sources, statements made by the likes of Brian Kilmeade (who is apparently much more relevant than any other conservative who had stuff to say on the subject). Also note he WP:WEASEL in "[Kilmeade] tried to defend" -- you see, you can't defend Trump's policies, you can only "try to defend them, but we know better".
And incidentally: for this article to pass, it needs a fix in the footnotes, where various citations fail to identify the publisher. Dahn (talk) 05:22, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Also, the original hook is a highly contentious claim made during litigation. Are we really basing hooks on stuff said by lawyers defending their clients? (As for the ALT: I personally find it manipulative, since it implies that the policy of arresting adult illegal immigrants is necessarily wrong, and also because it won't tell us what 2,000 is compared to a standard -- the immigrant population, for instance. It's nothing but a poor attempt at sensationalism.) Dahn (talk) 05:28, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Lastly, the "cages" in the picture appear to be standard fixtures of any detention facility. Implying that those are "cages" is simply mendacious. Dahn (talk) 05:30, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 19[edit]

Joan Does Dynasty

Created by Juanitavid (talk) and Sam Sailor (talk). Nominated by Sam Sailor (talk) at 21:11, 24 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. QPQ done. I linked this article in Joan Braderman so it wouldn't be an orphan. I think the image is incorrectly licensed; shouldn't it be fair use? Please check on that. Regarding the hook, it's okay but it has a lot of blue links in it. It's also to be expected that a feminist commentator would give a feminist quote. I'm wondering if you could write something a little funnier in the spirit of Braderman's send-up of Dynasty? Yoninah (talk) 21:58, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: In preparation for the DYK nomination, I contacted article creator and uploader of the image on Commons on June 22 in c:Special:Permalink/307583809#Joan Does Dynasty, two days before nominating. I have not heard from them, but have posted on their talk page here. Looking at their contributions my assumption is that the image is correctly licensed. I'll try to think of a hookier hook. Sam Sailor 19:53, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 22[edit]

Captain Cook State Recreation Area

  • Comment: I’m not completely sold on the hook. I mean, it’s “hooky” and properly sourced and all but somehow I’m not finding it all that satisfying so if anyone has any other suggestions I’m all ears. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:31, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Created/expanded by Beeblebrox (talk). Self-nominated at 22:31, 22 June 2018 (UTC).

Yeah, things get named after people all the time. Daniel Case (talk) 02:18, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:20, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Take a Knee, My Ass (I Won't Take a Knee)

Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 14:48, 22 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Full review to follow, but I don't think ALT0 is interesting to a broad audience. Perhaps more hooks could be suggested here? One suggestion could be one that plays on the song's title, another suggestion would tie it to it being written as a response to the anthem kneelings. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:41, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
  • On the contrary, the hook is humorous and interesting if you understand the context (NFL players protesting the American national anthem), which has received worldwide coverage. SounderBruce 07:05, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
I know, but while the NFL anthem protests are big news over in the United States, I'm not sure if it's the case elsewhere. Most people are vaguely aware of it I suppose, but I suppose that even as someone who follows the NFL, I don't really see how the "bringing people together" part is interesting, since I don't know if people can get the connection immediately. Like I said, I think one possible suggestion here is an alternate hook that makes the connection to the anthem protests explicit. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:07, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Would respectfully request that you review the article instead. As Bruce notes, the humour and 'hookiness' is obvious. I would like to see this being run. Kingoflettuce (talk) 15:57, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - n
  • Other problems: Red XN - As mentioned above, I really don't see how "bringing people together" is hooky at first glance. It makes sense if you understand the context, but even to those familiar with the anthem protests (such as myself) may not get it immediately, and in fact without the context, a song "bringing people together" is not really that interesting (especially since it's supposed to be a patriotic song, and patriotic songs are really intended to be like that).
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg I have struck ALT0 per my previous comnments in this discussion. As my suggestion, I think the article title is itself very hooky and one suggestion I have is to work on a hook that ties in to that. Other possibilites include linking the song to the anthem protests (i.e. "DYK that the song TAKMY(IWTAK) was written in response to the NFL anthem protests?" or something to that effect), or even a hook that references the song's negative reception (this quote "(it) sounds, to the casual listener, like McCoy is ordering his own buttocks to drop to the ground and pay their ass-y respects" sounds funnier, actually). Or possibly even a hook saying that while McCoy wrote the song, he was sympathetic to the protests? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

  • Directly calling out its connection to the protests makes the hook lose its luster. Concealing it within the link could work:
  • As for the second bit, there is coverage of the grammatical failings of the title and it could be made into a hook like so:
The top option is somewhat better, but again I'm not really sure on it. Anti-protest songs do generally attempt to "bring people together" so it's not unusual. The second one is somewhat interesting, but the hook fact is not mentioned in the article.
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg We'll need to have a second review here on the appropriateness of the two new ALTs. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:25, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
The link to "unforeseen manner" is totally irrelevant IMO, and I don't find the hook very compelling even without it. The other hook looks okay to me. EEng, do you see any possibilities with this one? Gatoclass (talk) 08:08, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 23[edit]

Banat Republic

  • ... that the Banat Republic, proclaimed in 1918, sought to control "one of Europe's most complex areas"? Source: Kókai, p. 64
    • ALT1:... that days after the Banat Republic was proclaimed in 1918, the streets of its capital "trembled with the lockstep" of rival Romanian paramilitaries? Source: Dudaș & Grunețeanu, p. 141, quoting Commissioner Roth
    • ALT2:... that the Banat Republic of 1918 claimed it could raise 400,000 troops against the French Danube Army, but in reality had less than 4,000? Source: Kókai, p. 67, quoting Commissioner Bartha

5x expanded by Dahn (talk). Self-nominated at 06:13, 1 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Question Does anyone know how to fix the ISBN templates in "References"? Dahn (talk) 13:50, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Pransukh Nayak

Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 14:01, 23 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Review under process. Pratyush (talk) 18:55, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Nizil Shah: The article was moved from draftspace to mainspace on 23rd June and was nominated at the same date. Prose size is more than 1500 characters. Article is neutral, cites sources with inline citations and does not have any copyvio issues according to Earwig's detector. Hook is less than 200 characters and meets the formatting guidelines. Hook is interesting, neutral and is cited with inline citation in the article. QPQ pending. Pratyush (talk) 02:38, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 25[edit]

Embassy chapel

  • ... that chapels of the embassies of Bavaria, France, Sardinia and other Catholic nations in London provided religious services to persecuted English Catholics before Catholic emancipation? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that throughout history, Embassy chapels, protected by international law, have provided religious services in host countries to otherwise persecuted religions? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created/expanded by Eccekevin (talk). Self-nominated at 19:01, 29 June 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 26[edit]

Biblical criticism

  • ... that white male Protestants dominated the field of biblical criticism for over 200 years, but globalization and multiple new perspectives of the late 20th century permanently changed that? Source: several
  • Reviewed: Winchell's kingfisher
  • Comment: The reviewer, Farang Rak Tham, did an excellent job shaping the article, deserves credit.

Improved to Good Article status by Jenhawk777 (talk) and Farang Rak Tham (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:15, 27 June 2018 (UTC).

  • I usually try to make a reviewer's life easier by proposing ony one. This one is what we (author and nominator) agreed upon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Honestly, I'm not really sure about this hook: biblical criticism is a very interesting field of study that I'm personally interested in: surely there are other things that can be said about it too, right? The reason I'm asking about the hook is because, while it's fine, there's plenty more that can be said on the subject. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:40, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Yes, but DYK is not about saying plenty. - Just look at Druet: a great helper worded plenty (which was a good compromise after arguing since February), and while on the Main page, they reduced it to one a little quirky aspect (and I wasn't around, so noticed only afterwards, but you were around). DYK is to make curious, with something that is correct. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi Narutolovehinata5! I was concerned about the whole "white guy" thing--but it is one of the many things about biblical criticism that most people don't realize--it started out among Protestants and stayed predominantly Protestant until recently. As far as I am concerned you can pick anything you'd like to say, but how about one of these for an alternate?
  • (alternate 1) ...biblical criticism has permanently altered understanding of the Bible?
  • (alternate 2) ...biblical criticism began as a historical discipline and has now become a field of disciplines with often conflicting views? or
  • (alternate 3) ...biblical criticism began in Germany and has now spread throughout the world even into non-Christian religions?
Do you like any of these better? I am okay with whatever the rest of you agree on. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:10, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5, Gerda Arendt, and Farang Rak Tham: Sorry--I realized after the fact I should have pinged you all. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Jenhawk777: I actually feel that the original hook is on the right track, but the description doesn't really give the field justice. These days biblical criticism (and indeed Christianity studies as a whole) now has input from varying fields, such as the various Christian denominations, and even from scholars who are Jewish, Muslim, and even irreligious. Describing that simply as "globalization and multiple new perspectives of the late 20th century" seems too simple and not really that attention-grabbing. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:49, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
That was actually Gerda's first response--she wanted more as well. What she ended up with--what's here--was Gerda doing her best to summarize the summary in the lead and make it usable. What you refer to is in the article--in more than one place--and as a DYK hook would be representative of the article. The problem--as I explained to Gerda then and explain to you now--is that it is more information than there is any possibility of including in a DYK hook. This is the third paragraph from the lead which is a summary of information in the article remember.
  • By the late twentieth century, scholars of different ethnicities, women, and those from the Jewish and Catholic traditions became prominent voices writing biblical criticism from new perspectives. Literary criticism changed understanding of method, goals, and philosophy. Globalization and academic disciplines like Near Eastern studies were impacting biblical criticism as well. Anthropology and sociology became the foundation of socio-scientific criticism. Psychology began making contributions to biblical criticism in areas of interpretation, definitions, the field of memory, cognitive science, and more. Post-modernism developed its own form of biblical criticism. Feminism developed its own theology of liberation, and post-critical interpretation began to question the role and function of biblical criticism altogether. For over two hundred years, white Protestant males were the dominant voices under the large umbrella of historical biblical criticism. Their work permanently altered views of the Bible. By 1990, biblical criticism had irrevocably changed from a single historical discipline to a field of disciplines with often conflicting views.
That could easily become the longest hook of all time. :-) But if you can figure out a way to pick and choose in a way that satisfies what you would like to see included, we will all listen to any suggestions you might have for accomplishing your goal. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:42, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Being an outsider and not Christian, but having read the Gospels once, I thought it was interesting to read that they may be based on an older source text called "Q":

ALT4: ... that many scholars of Biblical criticism argue the gospels partly originate from an older text called "Q"?
Just my two cents.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 04:55, 13 July 2018 (UTC) Removed second instance of that.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 07:55, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
While an interesting hook to non-Christians, that hook is slightly inaccurate: only Matthew and Luke are argued to have used the hypothetical Q source. Mark (which most scholars believe came first) did not (and was argued to have been used as an additional source for both Matthew and Luke, hence the so-called "two-source hypothesis"), while John is believed to not have used Q at all due to having a vastly different Christology. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:46, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
I knew that, but I thought that the word partly covered that ...--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:19, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 27[edit]

Val Gagné, Ontario

  • ... that Val Gagné, Ontario, is named for the heroic efforts of its parish priest, Wilfred "Little Father" Gagné, who died along with most of the settlement's residents during the 1916 Matheson Fire?
    • ALT1:... that nearly every person in Val Gagné, Ontario, died in the 1916 Matheson Fire, and the settlement was renamed to honour the heroic efforts of the parish priest Wilfred "Little Father" Gagné?

Created/expanded by Magnolia677 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:57, 1 July 2018 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. - I don't need more than three refs for on fact ;) - I think ALT1 works better. - As I see five DYK credits for you, you need to complete a review of another nomination before this can be approved. Let me know if you need help with it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:12, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for reviewing. Please check the hook for spelling. (I see 2 things.) Facts being scattered are no problem, but uncited paragraphs are, and each part of the hook needs a citation right after the fact. - I believe that being a member of an organisation - without financial interests - such as a school, a choir, a charity organization is unproblematic. (I am a member of several choirs and dared to write about them, and their conductor and soloists, - where's conflict there?) - Generally: a review could be a bit more personal especially when missing things, - the other editor is a human being ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:45, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
I reviewed the other article myself now (in my mind), see nothing promotional, but several bare urls. Ref formatting should look different. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Novara-class cruiser

Moved to mainspace by Parsecboy (talk). 5x expanded by White Shadows (talk). Self-nominated at 03:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 28[edit]

Timișoara Fortress

Timișoara Fortress around 1656
Timișoara Fortress around 1656
  • ... that after his first visit to Timișoara, in the fall of 1307, Charles Robert of Anjou built between 1308 and 1315 the Timișoara Fortress as a stone fortress, using Italian craftsmen, and on the site of an older Avar clay fortress.Source: Jenő Szentkláray (1911). (in Hungarian) Temes vármegye története – Temesvár története, Magyarország vármegyéi és városai cycle, Budapest;Source: Hațegan, Ioan (2005). (in Romanian) Cronologia Banatului: Vilayetul de Timișoara, vol. II, part 2, Timișoara: Ed. Banatul, ISBN 973-7836-54-5
  • Comment: This is a newly created history and archaeology article, having at the base the translation of the Romanian article. Quite well done, by a new user

Created by Denisse- Mihaela Grigore (talk). Nominated by Codrinb (talk) at 19:28, 6 July 2018 (UTC).

  • I'll review this, more comments to follow. Catrìona (talk) 15:36, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Great new article. The hook could stand to be reworded and shortened somewhat, and the picture is not used in the article. Catrìona (talk) 15:36, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, thanks a lot for the review. The image used in the Angevin Fortress section could be used instead, if needed. And there are many other images throughout the article. Codrin.B (talk) 18:34, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Cetatea Timisoara 1602 (cropped).jpg
Personally, I like the image at right, and it's clear at the required size. You still haven't suggested edits to your hook, which needs to be 200 characters or less if I understand the guidelines correctly. Catrìona (talk) 21:18, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for choosing and cropping the pic. The hook can be shortened to "... that after his first visit to Timișoara, in the fall of 1307, Charles Robert of Anjou built between 1308 and 1315 the Timișoara Fortress as a stone fortress, using Italian craftsmen". Would that work? Codrin.B (talk) 16:47, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
You're welcome. The syntax on that one is still a bit funny, with the date hung between verb and object. I'd prefer "... that after his first visit to Timișoara, in the fall of 1307, Charles Robert of Anjou ordered the construction of Timișoara Fortress (completed 1315) by Italian stonemasons." Catrìona (talk) 16:54, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
I like it. Much better formulation :-) Thanks again. Codrin.B (talk) 07:59, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 30[edit]

Stuart W. Jamieson

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 16:31, 6 July 2018 (UTC).

Franz Schubert

Franz Schubert, 1825 watercolour
Franz Schubert, 1825 watercolour

Improved to Good Article status by Zingarese (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 18:50, 5 July 2018 (UTC).

Puss in Boots (Shrek)

Converted from a redirect by Flowerpiep (talk). Self-nominated at 16:44, 4 July 2018 (UTC).

Jean-François Bony

Created by Redfiona99 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:23, 30 June 2018 (UTC).

The True Confessions of Charlotte Doyle

  • Reviewed Ninjala I believe I have less than 5 main page DYKs so no QPQ was strictly necessary

Improved to Good Article status by Barkeep49 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:32, 30 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Would "travelogue" fit better than "travel log"? Raymie (tc) 21:51, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Raymie, I made the change in the hook. Here's a review:
  • Symbol question.svg GA icon received same day as DYK nomination. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. I question the use of publisher's websites as sources, as they are WP:PRIMARY; please remove Goodreads, Scholastic, HarperCollins Childrens, and any other promotional pages you're using as sources. Please tell me what kind of a source you're using for the second hook fact about the travelogue. QPQ done; thank you for that. Yoninah (talk) 01:01, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah: thanks for the review and copyedit. The hook is sourced from Jones, Douglas A. "The True Confessions of Charlotte Doyle." I have removed the goodreads sentence as non-essential and replaced the Scholastic source with School Library Journal. The remaining change is going to be more time intensive to do and given that no part of the hook is cited to to it (with ALA and the above source the citations for the two pieces ofinformation), can I ask under what DYK criteria these changes are requested? Thanks again and Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @Barkeep49: well, first, if this is a GA, it should meet all Wikipedia standards, or it should be returned for reassessment. Similarly, since DYK hooks appear on the main page, we want them to meet the Wikipedia criteria, even if they are start-class articles. Thank you for removing the publisher's websites. If the remaining sources have no information cited to them, why can't you just remove them? In a DYK, not everything has to be cited; there just has to be a minimum of one citation per paragraph. Yoninah (talk) 19:27, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Sorry I wasn't clear about your request. What is left from your request for change in sources are citation for several less prominent awards (mainly children's statewide readers awards) which are nicely collected at the publisher's page. I am not willing to just take the information out of the article especially because it doesn't relate to the DYK hook. As both the reviewer of the article and I have around 25 GA reviews to our names neither of us are unfamiliar with GA criteria which is why I asked about the DYK criteria justification which I'm admittedly not as familiar with. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:12, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @Barkeep49: oh, now I see what you're citing. Usually when I write an article and find a list of awards in a primary cite, I just search for them on Google with the winner's name and then I can provide an independent source for them. Are you able to do that for at least some of them? Yoninah (talk) 20:19, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Biggs jasper

A piece of Biggs jasper
A piece of Biggs jasper
  • Reviewed: Bombing of Wieluń
  • Comment: Thanks to Shrike for making the full source available to me via the library exchange.

Created/expanded by Sandstein (talk). Self-nominated at 13:26, 30 June 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 1[edit]

Harendra Singh

Created by Dee03 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:46, 5 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Doing...-Nizil (talk) 05:51, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you @Dee03: for contributing and nominating article for DYK. Comments: New article. Article is just 1562 characters long. Neutral. Hook is long enough and cited. If you can find more catchy hook, it would be better. Else I will approve this hook. There is unnecessary quote of Rani Rampal in the article which should not be there (I believe that it would be shorten the article below 1500 so please add some additional info from his early life, education and playing career. Expand lead with summary of the article. Article chiefly focuses on coaching career but provides not much on his playing career. If possible, add some info about it.) Dronacharya Award needs citation and it can be a hook too. QPQ pending. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 06:16, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi, I have expanded the article a bit and resolved other issues. QPQ is also done now. I couldn't think of a catchier hook than this, so we may go with this. ALT hook suggestions are welcome. Dee03 15:03, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Cuitláhuac García Jiménez

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 02:16, 3 July 2018 (UTC).

Pharmacist-to-pharmacy technician ratio

  • ... that the pharmacist-to-pharmacy technician ratio has generally increased as pharmacy technicians have become less like retail clerks and taken on more responsibilities? Source: "Initially, technicians had a very limited function, only serving as clerks or cashiers. Many states...maintained low pharmacist-to-technician ratios...However, technicians gradually began to take on additional responsibilities, including entering and filling prescriptions, reconstituting medications, and communicating with physician’s offices and insurance companies." (source)

Created by Biochemistry&Love (talk). Self-nominated at 16:28, 1 July 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 2[edit]

Kelly M. Quintanilla

  • ... that Kelly M. Quintanilla, the first female president of Texas A&M University–Corpus Christi, is a first-generation college student? Source: "she is the first female president of the university [...] In 1989, she became the first person in her family to attend university, graduating from the University of Pittsburgh as a first-generation college student.

" (source)

  • ALT1 ... that Kelly M. Quintanilla, the first female president of Texas A&M University–Corpus Christi, is the first person in her family to attend university? Source: "she is the first female president of the university [...] In 1989, she became the first person in her family to attend university, graduating from the University of Pittsburgh as a first-generation college student.

" (source)

Created by Originalmess (talk). Self-nominated at 04:24, 8 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Originalmess: Full review to follow, but a new hook may need to be proposed here, since many people (such as myself) probably don't know what "first-generation college student" means. Perhaps we can just focus on her being the first female president of Texas A&M Corpus Christi? That by itself is pretty hooky if you ask me. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I created an alt hook to clarify. Thanks, originalmesshow u doin that busta rhyme? 15:39, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Unfortunately I don't think ALT1 is really that interesting either: remember that in the United States, as most people don't go to college, statistically being the first in the family to go to college is not really that unusual. Even within the United States and elsewhere, it's probably not uncommon. With that said, the suggestion, again, is to simply focus on her being the first female president of that university. That by itself seems attention-grabbing, more than her being the first in her family to go to college. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Hmmm I think the context makes it more interesting - it brings contrast. The combination is what makes it unusual; academia is hard to break into, especially for first-generation students who are 14% more likely not to graduate at all compared to traditional students. First-generation college students in the United States also are less likely to obtain postgrad degrees (as stated in the article) which are usually required for academia and administrative positions. This is relatively common knowledge in the US, so I apologize if it's not global enough, but I'm surprised it's not similar in other countries! Although our tuition rates are ... unique. Tl;dr First generation students often don't feel comfortable at universities; now she's running one. originalmesshow u doin that busta rhyme? 05:22, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Still. It may be interesting to U.S. readers (who, to be fair, make up a significant portion of Wikipedia's readership), but it's less so for people from other countries, particularly developing ones. Remember that the U.S. is not the world, and what is common or rare in the U.S. may not be so elsewhere. As such, I'm afraid I have to reject ALT0. Please suggest other hooks here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:47, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Gowanus Canal

A barge on the Gowanus Canal
A barge on the Gowanus Canal
  • ... that New York City's Gowanus Canal is so heavily polluted that enterococcus, which is found in human fecal matter, was detected at more than 100 times above unsafe levels? Source: NY Daily News, 2009. "New tests have found sky-high levels of a bacteria found in human waste in the Gowanus Canal. Water quality tests conducted by Riverkeeper, a self-described "environmental neighborhood watch program," late last month found levels of enterococcus up to 17,329 cells per 100 milliliters. The Environmental Protection Agency has said contact with water with levels higher than 104 cells is unsafe."
    • ALT1:... that a defective drainage sewer from the heavily polluted Gowanus Canal instead caused more sewage to flow into the canal? Source: Brooklyn Daily Eagle, 1898.
    • ALT2:... that it is estimated that the heavily polluted Gowanus Canal in New York City will cost around $350–450 million to clean up? Source: Village Voice, 2012. "There are two main options, he said — and will cost from 351 to $456 million."
    • ALT3:... that a commission studying New York City's heavily polluted Gowanus Canal in the late 19th century called the waterway "a disgrace to Brooklyn"? Source: NY Times, 1893.
  • Reviewed: Did you know nominations/Fanjingshan
  • Comment: This article was previously a Good Article, but was later demoted. It was re-listed as a GA just yesterday. According to this discussion, the article should be eligible. Also, the picture is optional.

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk) and Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 16:36, 2 July 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 3[edit]

Hailey Dawson

Dawson at Oriole Park in 2015
Dawson at Oriole Park in 2015

Created by Yoninah (talk). Self-nominated at 21:06, 3 July 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 4[edit]

Safavid Georgia

Northwestern part of the Safavid Empire
Northwestern part of the Safavid Empire

Improved to Good Article status by LouisAragon (talk). Self-nominated at 21:02, 8 July 2018 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting Good article, on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. Three sources are not used, intentionally so? I miss (pictured) in all hooks, and personally like ALT2 best. Please think about image placement. Right is preferred to left, to not displace section headers, but left for people looking to the right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt:
Thanks for reviewing this DYK;
  • "Three sources are not used, intentionally so?" -- that's right.
  • "I miss (pictured) in all hooks" --  Done
  • "(...) and personally like ALT2 best." -- sure, lets do it!
  • "Please think about image placement. Right is preferred to left, to not displace section headers, but left for people looking to the right." -- could you please implement what you mean? Then I can have a look.
- LouisAragon (talk) 00:06, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 5[edit]

Solid (web decentralization)

Created by Anachronist (talk). Self-nominated at 22:37, 5 July 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 6[edit]

Articles created/expanded on July 7[edit]

Michael Peter Kaye

  • Reviewed: To be done

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 18:04, 14 July 2018 (UTC).

Konstantin Petrovich Nechaev

  • ... that despite being accused by Leon Trotsky of supporting Chinese monarchism, Konstantin Petrovich Nechaev was portrayed favorably in a Soviet propaganda film? Source for being accused of supporting Chinese monarchism: [35]; source for being portrayed favorably in a Soviet propaganda film: Waldron, Arthur; Cull, Nicholas (1995). "'Modern Warfare in China in 1924–1925': Soviet film propaganda to support Chinese Militarist Zhang Zuolin". Historical Journal of Film, Radio and Television. Abingdon-on-Thames: Routledge. 15 (3), pp. 407, 408 )

Created by Applodion (talk). Self-nominated at 19:53, 12 July 2018 (UTC).

Stanwood station, H and H Railroad

5x expanded by SounderBruce (talk). Second article written by NearEMPTiness (talk). Nominated by SounderBruce (talk) at 23:09, 7 July 2018 (UTC).

  • long enough (N.B. was still marked as stub in Talk page), new enough, neutral in tone.
  • All non lede paragraphs have references, images in article have appropriate licencing. No apparently copyright violations.
  • QPQ done.
  • I personally find the first hook more interesting than the second one, although I wonder if it's an issue if the "Stanwood station" the title refers to is the one build in 2009 and hence isn't the depot in Stanwood which was serviced by "Dinky". Is this possibly misleading to conflate the two as this hook seems to do?
  • second opinion requested, if possible
  • Same location, thus same article (which can cover both as "a" [train station] in Stanwood). If the depot building was still around, it would likely have been incorporated into this new station's design.
  • Ref 9 refers to it as "the dinky" not "Dinky"; ref 10 also refers to it as the Dinky. Perhaps the wording in the hook should be changed with the addition of the definite article. I don't have access to Ref 8.
  • Added article.
  • Second hook is cited in article and backed up by refs, but I don't find it super interesting. Plenty of construction projects get delayed over things like this, no?
  • Usually, things like platform height are set in stone by some kind of standard ages before a new station is built. It's a bit of an unusual situation.
  • Symbol question.svg @SounderBruce: I'd just like the first hook to be clearer, or to have a second opinion that it's actually all right. Umimmak (talk) 03:05, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @Umimmak: See my replies above. I have also added a second article about the railroad, which was recently created by another editor. SounderBruce 06:30, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @SounderBruce: Okay I'm satisfied with those responses. If you are to bold-link Dinky as well (which is long, new, neutral, etc. enough although I have some issues with prose esp. MOS:CURRENT w.r.t. describing its location and I have doubts about the notability; although I will take it on good faith the sources I don't have access to sufficiently demonstrate that, but a second opinion would be nice for the article H and H Railroad. Also NB that its talk page still marks it as a stub.), then we just need a second QPQ. Umimmak (talk) 07:35, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Cloud Kingdoms

  • ... that the time limit in the puzzle game Cloud Kingdoms is calculated in Manukas? Source: Zzap!64, May 1990, "The game is played against a weird time limit, the clock starting at 99 Manukas")

Improved to Good Article status by Canadian Paul (talk). Self-nominated at 16:58, 7 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Canadian Paul: An explanation might be need to be added to the hook, to explain what "Manukas" are. That, or an alternate hook may need to be proposed here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:02, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5:, my idea with the hook was that people would want to click the article to find out what a Manuka was, but I can see how that might be problematic given the way the hook is worded currently. Perhaps ALT 1: ... that the time limit in the puzzle game Cloud Kingdoms is calculated in a fictional measurement referred to as Manukas?" would be an improvement? Canadian Paul 13:18, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Abraham Hatfield

  • ... that Abraham Hatfield was a sugar merchant who built a castle and solved a mystery about stamps? [36])
    • ALT1:... that Abraham Hatfield borrowed stamps from a congressman to solve a philatelic mystery? Source: [37]

5x expanded by Rising*From*Ashes (talk). Self-nominated at 07:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article has been sufficiently expanded, is well referenced, copyvio is unlikely. No QPQ necessary, as the nominator has less than five DYKs so far. The hooks are interesting, but the sources and the article itself do not describe the case Hatfield solved as "mystery"; you either have to reword the article, provide another source, or reword the hooks. Applodion (talk) 19:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Feng Timo

  • ... that Feng Timo is a network hostess that has over 11 million fans on Douyu app and over 7 million fans on Sina Weibo?
  • ... that Feng Timo's song 《佛系少女》 has been so popular that it had been the Top 20 Hottest songs??

Created by Omega68537 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:05, 7 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Hostesses, plural.Moriori (talk) 00:45, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg This nomination has several issues that need to be addressed if this is to be approved. First, the article is only 1032 characters long, which is far below the 1500 character requirement. Second, the article has several unsourced statements. Finally, both hooks are too vague or common to be hooky or interesting to a broad audience. I will give the nominator time to work on the issues, but if they are not resolved within a reasonable amount of time, this nomination will be failed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:04, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 8[edit]

Iase Tushi

Created by LouisAragon (talk). Self-nominated at 01:09, 16 July 2018 (UTC).

Brett Cantor

  • Reviewed: Butyrolactol A
  • Comment: As the hook suggests, I have an anniversary date in mind for this one again: July 30, the 25th anniversary of the killing.

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self-nominated at 02:29, 12 July 2018 (UTC).

@Narutolovehinata5: I don't know how you could get much better than the New York Times article I used. (And the point of the hook was that the defense was allowed to review the case file, not that they used it during trial). Daniel Case (talk) 15:04, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Such is Life: The Troubled Times of Ben Cousins

Created by HappyWaldo (talk). Self-nominated at 03:15, 8 July 2018 (UTC).

World Trade Center station (PATH)

  • ... that the World Trade Center Transportation Hub, built after the September 11 attacks, cost $4 billion and was described as the world's most expensive train station? Sources: (1) NY Times, "How Cost of Train Station at World Trade Center Swelled to $4 Billion", 2014. The cost is in the title. Also, "Its colossal avian presence may yet guarantee the hub a place in the pantheon of civic design in New York. But it cannot escape another, more ignominious distinction as one of the most expensive and most delayed train stations ever built." (2) Business Insider, 2016. "Nearly 15 years after the terrorist attacks of 9/11, the World Trade Center Transportation Hub is now partially open to the public. [...] The design for the station was first revealed in 2004. It was projected to take five years and only $2.2 billion to complete, but after 12 years and many complications, $2.2 billion turned into $4 billion, making the Transportation Hub the most expensive train station ever."
    • ALT1:... that the $4 billion World Trade Center Transportation Hub, built after the September 11 attacks, was described as the world's most expensive train station? Source: same as above
    • ALT2:... that as part of the contract to build New York City's original World Trade Center, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey acquired a railroad and built a new station for it at the World Trade Center? Source: NY Times, 1962.

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 14:06, 8 July 2018 (UTC).

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on July 9[edit]

Enrique Alfaro Ramírez

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 00:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Raymie: Do you have any suggestions for alternate hooks? Because quitting a party shortly after being elected, while interesting, is fairly commonplace. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:10, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
  • True, party switching is common in Mexico, but this was within days after the election. One half of the hook might still work on its own: Raymie (tc) 18:54, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Governor-elect of Jalisco Enrique Alfaro Ramírez was the first winning gubernatorial candidate to come from the Movimiento Ciudadano party?

William Chong Wong

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 23:55, 9 July 2018 (UTC).

Carlos Hermosillo Arteaga

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 18:53, 9 July 2018 (UTC).

Beautiful in White

Converted from a redirect by Beyoncetan 2 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:22, 9 July 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 10[edit]

Flight Stop

Flight Stop in flight at the Toronto Eaton Centre
Flight Stop in flight at the Toronto Eaton Centre
  • ... that each of the sixty geese in Michael Snow's Flight Stop (pictured) is wearing a goose costume made from photographs of a dead Canada goose culled from Toronto Island? Source text: "Flight Stop appears to be a straightforward representation of sixty geese, but the work is a combination of fibreglass forms and photographs of a single goose, 'one of two culled from a flock living on Toronto Island.' Photographing the dead bird, Snow adjusted 'the neck, wing, and tail positions and the cylindrical parts of the body. Three different body sizes were then carved in Styrofoam and, using pattern-making techniques, two-dimensional photographic goose costumes were printed and assembled.'" Martha Langford. Michael Snow: Life & Work. Toronto: Art Canada Institute, 2004.

Created by Freshacconci (talk). Self-nominated at 15:16, 12 July 2018 (UTC).


John Davy Rolleston

5x expansion from 10 July. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:02, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 16:58, 12 July 2018 (UTC).

Matthias Rauchmiller

Matthias Rauchmiller's clay model (1681) for the statue of St John of Nepomuk which was placed Charles Bridge in Prague in 1683. Its iconography (bearded priest leaning to one side, wearing biretta, holding crucifix, haloed by five stars) became the archetype for later representations of this saint.
Matthias Rauchmiller's clay model (1681) for the statue of St John of Nepomuk which was placed Charles Bridge in Prague in 1683. Its iconography (bearded priest leaning to one side, wearing biretta, holding crucifix, haloed by five stars) became the archetype for later representations of this saint.
  • ... that a butcher's son named Matthias Rauchmiller designed both the Plague Monument in Vienna, and the oldest statue on Prague's Charles Bridge? Source: Information from NDB article about Rauchmiller, cited in article
    • ALT1:... that the 1683 statue of St. John Nepomuk on Prague's Charles Bridge, which inspired depictions of the saint into the 19th century, is based on a small clay model by Matthew Rauchmiller. (Quote from the source, Prague's National Gallery: "This rarely preserved bozzetto was the precursor to the representation of the bearded priest-canon with a biretta on his head, dressed in a cassock, surplice and almuce over his shoulders. The Viennese sculptor slightly emphasized the contrapposto of the small figure with narrow shoulders, crowned by the martyr’s head inclined to one side, with the saint’s left hand embracing the crucifix as if in a gesture protecting the dead Saviour. In this small statuette of a foreign origin, and its enlarged form on Charles Bridge, the main type of St John of Nepomuk’s figure was constituted, subsequently repeated in a number of others, deep into the 19th century."[39]

Created by HouseOfChange (talk). Nominated by HouseOfChange (talk) at 11:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC).

Old North Building

  • ... that Old North, built in 1795, is the oldest standing academic building on Georgetown University's campus? Source: "The Old North Building is the oldest remaining building academic on the Georgetown University campus." (source)

Created by Ergo Sum (talk). Self-nominated at 18:24, 11 July 2018 (UTC).

Ybor Stadium

  • Reviewed: IOU

Created by Blackguard SF (talk) and Muboshgu (talk). Nominated by Muboshgu (talk) at 17:46, 11 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg File was created within the last seven days, is over the required prose length and has no copyvio issues. Hook is supported by a reliable, inline source. Once the user adds a QPQ review, this will be good to go. Kosack (talk) 13:59, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 11[edit]

John Joseph Merlin

John Joseph Merlin, 1781
John Joseph Merlin, 1781
  • ... that ... John Joseph Merlin's appeared in Hyde-park in January 1803 in a carriage without horses, powered by a windlass? Source: "In January 1803, Merlin made what may have been his last public appearance, when a newspaper reported that he had 'appeared in Hyde-park on Sunday last, in a carriage without horses, and attracted universal notice. He kept the vehicle in motion by means of a windlass...'" Debenham, 2014
    • ALT1:... that ... John Joseph Merlin was the most striking Character of 900 masqueraders in 1778 in a wheelchair he designed? Source: "An extract from a newspaper report of a Masquerade Ball at the Pantheon, identified by the author, illustrates Merlin's penchant for self-promotion. ‘The company, about 900 in number, consisted of a more equal and agreeable mixture than usual, of Characters and Dominos: the most striking of the former, were, Mr. Merlin, the mechanic, as a gouty gentleman, in a chair of his own construction, which, by a transverse direction of two winches, he wheeled about himself, with great facility to any part of the room … ' 4 March 1778" Debenham, 2014
    • ALT2:... that ... John Joseph Merlin crashed into a mirror at Carlisle House while playing the violin on skates that he invented? Source: "One of his ingenious novelties was a pair of skaites contrived to run on wheels. Supplied with these and a violin, he mixed in the motley group of one of Mrs Cowleys' masquerades at Carlisle House; when not having provided the means of retarding his velocity, or commanding its direction, he impelled himself against a mirror of more than five hundred pounds value, dashed it to atoms, broke his instrument to pieces and wounded himself most severely." Highfill, 1984

5x expanded by Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk). Nominated by Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) at 23:24, 15 July 2018 (UTC).

Leander Dendoncker

  • ... that Belgian World Cup player Leander Dendoncker is the son of pig farmers? Source: [40] "Originaire de Passendaele, le fin fond de la Flandre Occidentale, où ses parents sont éleveurs de cochons, Leander Dedoncker a vécu très jeune loin de sa famille" - "Originally from Passendale, in deepest West Flanders, where his parents are pig farmers, Leander Dendoncker has lived far from his family from a young age".
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by Harambe Walks (talk). Self-nominated at 23:45, 11 July 2018 (UTC).

Paper car wheel

Allen Paper Car Wheel Company
Allen Paper Car Wheel Company
  • ... that paper car wheels provided a quiet and smooth ride in Pullman dining and sleeping cars? Source: Ken Cupery: "paper wheels were not immediately accepted, but eventually became standard equipment on Pullman cars ... to provide a quieter and smoother ride than conventional cast iron wheels."
    • ALT1:... that the use of paper car wheels resulted in a quiet and smooth ride in Pullman dining and sleeping cars?
    • ALT2:... that paper car wheels brought quiet elegance to Pullman dining and sleeping cars? Source: John H. Lienhard: "Allen's paper wheel was just the thing to bring quiet elegance to Pullman's dining and sleeping cars."

Created by NearEMPTiness (talk). Self-nominated at 08:33, 12 July 2018 (UTC).

Scott Smith (ice hockey)

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 02:21, 12 July 2018 (UTC).

Prague uprising

Expanded to GA by Catrìona (talk). Self-nominated at 01:04, 11 July 2018 (UTC).

Dharma Bum Temple

Dharma Bum Temple Service with guest speaker Thanissaro Bhikkhu
Dharma Bum Temple Service with guest speaker Thanissaro Bhikkhu
  • ... that the local Buddhist temple, Dharma Bum Temple, launched a fundraiser to buy the Swedenborgian Church in San Diego that raised $490,000 in three and a half months? Source: "The nonprofit had about $7,000 in its bank account, and 108 days to raise about $490,000. On Valentine’s Day, the 108th day of the fundraiser, the final $3,000 donations came in to make their goal. More last-minute donations gave them $7,000 to spare." (Source: San Diego Union Tribune, Febuary 15, 2017)
  • Reviewed: While I am credited on several articles with DYK credit according to the DYK bot, per [41] these were merely articles I contributed to. This is my first actual DYK nomination.
  • Comment: I'd like to note that the images added to the page (except for the logo) were all added after the article was promoted to GA status because there wasn't any free images available until a few days ago. Not sure if that effects anything for DYK but just disclosing this.

Improved to Good Article status by Wikiman5676 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:25, 14 July 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 12[edit]

Benjamin Steinberg (conductor)

Created by JGHowes (talk). Self-nominated at 14:36, 14 July 2018 (UTC).

Elizabeth Kekaʻaniau

Elizabeth Kekaʻaniau, c. 1859
Elizabeth Kekaʻaniau, c. 1859
Elizabeth Kekaʻaniau, c. 1870
Elizabeth Kekaʻaniau, c. 1870

Source: Elizabeth Keka'ani'au [sic] recognized her role as an Ali'i and cared for her people.29 Because she was the last survivor of of the Ali'i who attended the Royal School, [42]

Improved to Good Article status by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 15:18, 12 July 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 13[edit]

Sara Hershkowitz

  • ... that Sara Hershkowitz who usually appears on the opera stage as The Queen of the Night and Zerbinetta, performed Ligeti's Mysteries of the Macabre for a crowd of 15,000 as "Donald Gepopo"? Source: [43] Donald Gepopo / Mit Ligeti gegen Trump: die amerikanische Sopranistin Sara Hershkowitz über Freiheit, Humor und Protest auf der Bühne (Donald Gepopo / With Ligeti against Trump: the American soprano Sara Hershkowitz about freedom, humour and protest on stage) - [44] "I'm not trying to give a message, or pretend I have answers about what to do about the hot steaming mess that is our president," she said. "But my job is to hold up a mirror. To dazzle, illuminate."
  • Reviewed: Safavid Georgia
  • Comment: We can say it more precisely, of course.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:44, 13 July 2018 (UTC).

Colin Hudson

  • ... that, in December 1957, footballer Colin Hudson scored in a 6–1 victory for Cardiff City on the same day he was married? Source: The Who's Who of Cardiff City by Dean Hayes "On his wedding day in December 1957, he blasted the opening goal of a 6–1 defeat of Liverpool"
  • Reviewed: Pending

Created by Kosack (talk). Self-nominated at 19:32, 13 July 2018 (UTC).

Eddie Jenkins (footballer, born 1909)

Created by Kosack (talk). Self-nominated at 18:41, 13 July 2018 (UTC).

Plato (spider)

P. ferriferus egg sac
P. ferriferus egg sac

5x expanded by Umimmak (talk). Self-nominated at 02:45, 13 July 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 14[edit]

Farouk Topan

  • ... that Farouk Topan described the English language as "the elephant in the room" in respect of the spread of Kiswahili in East Africa?
  • Reviewed: To be done

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 19:55, 15 July 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 15[edit]

Djajadiningrat family

Created by [[User:|User:]] ([[User talk:|talk]]). Nominated by AnakPejuangIndonesia (talk) at 03:34, 16 July 2018 (UTC).


King Kamehameha V in 1850
King Kamehameha V in 1850
  • ...that Keanolani was possibly the illegitimate daughter of King Kamehameha V (pictured) who died in 1872 without naming an heir to the throne?
    • ALT1:...that Keanolani was allegedly born from the illegitimate union of two Hawaiian royal students at the Royal School?

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 06:15, 16 July 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 16[edit]

Rie Murakawa

5x expanded by Narutolovehinata5 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:30, 16 July 2018 (UTC).

Special occasion holding area[edit]

The holding area has moved to its new location at the bottom of the Approved page. Please only place approved templates there; do not place them below.

Do not nominate articles in this section—nominate all articles in the nominations section above, under the date on which the article was created or moved to mainspace, or the expansion began; indicate in the nomination any request for a specially timed appearance on the main page.
Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated (i) within seven days of creation or expansion (as usual) and (ii) between five days and six weeks before the occasion, to give reviewers time to check the nomination. April Fools' Day is an exception to these requirements; see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know.